My second WOW moment of the weekend

[samesizedfeet]

Another thing thrown up by hints on Ancestry trees.

Apologies if you've heard all this before - it's a bit of a brick wall.......


My 5 x great grandmother is called Maria Sylvia Raimonda Gidi Anna UNKNOWN
she married John Baptist Noel

She went by the name Sylvia/Silvia in almost everything I've found.

A hit in google books last year suggested her father's surname was Latilla

2 trees on ancestry seem to think her father is Gaetano Mario LATILLA born in Italy abt 1757 (although I think one tree is a straight copy of the other) and her siblings are called Christina, Elizabeth and Gaetano Marie.

Although the tree has no other info on Silvia it has her death correct as 1841.


A quick search on the name Latilla has bought up a hit in LMA marriages for Marie Christine Latilla marrying John Le Strange in 1815 and one of the witnesses is SYLVIA NOEL.

Am I clutching madly or should I concentrate on it a bit more?

Zx

[Merry]

Concentrate on it a bit more.

[samesizedfeet]

I'm really struggling with it now.

I think Marie Christine Latilla that married John LeStrange must be a generation down from Sylvia as she's still having children baptised in 1851.

Sylvia was born in 1782 and according to the tree I found parents were Gaetano and Vincenze both born 1752. I know it's possible they were both still having children in their late 40s but I suspect not.

[samesizedfeet]

I can't find Henry Joseph Fradelle and Maria Christina in 1841 do get an idea of their ages - if anyone has time to look would appreciate the help

Z
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[kiterunner]

Sorry, I've read through this 3 times and I still don't know who Henry Joseph Fradelle is to start looking for him?

[Uncle John]

I'm totally confuddled.

[Merry]

i DON'T KNOW WHO hENRY IS EITHER!

I'm really struggling with it now.

I think Marie Christine Latilla that married John LeStrange must be a generation down from Sylvia as she's still having children baptised in 1851.



eRM....ARE YOU SURE? mARRIED IN 1815 AND STILL HAVING CHILDREN IN 1851? Oops, caps lock! lol

[Merry]

Maybe he is a second husband after Mr Le Strange?

Deaths Dec 1872
FRADELLE Henry Joseph 67 Pancras 1b 111

Would have to be a toy boy though.....

[Merry]

Whoever he is, I can't help noticing that buried at the same place, having found his burial in the LMA stuff having just put in the surname, is this one:

Henri Jean Baptiste Victorie Fradelle bur 1875 and b 1779.

It's a bit like doing a jigsaw without the box or half the pieces and a few bits from a different puzzle! lol

[kiterunner]

There's a burial listed in the LMA records for Maria Christina L'estrange 4 Jan 1843 age 59, abode University Ct(?), St Pancras, buried at Highgate Cemetery. So she would have been born about 1783.

[samesizedfeet]

God. Sorry. I've got myself in a complete muddle.

There's a marriage for a Latilla to Henry Joseph Fradelle that I made a note of as one to look into and I wandered off to put the washing out and came back and thought that was my starting point.

Ignore me. I'm SO out of practice at doing my tree I've forgotten how to take note sproperly

Although I can find even less on the LeStrange family than I had on the people I didn't even need

[Merry]

Oooh .........................

Henry Joseph Fradelle married 19 Feb 1832 to Maria Elizabeth Latilla All Souls, Langham Place

[samesizedfeet]

Henri Jean Baptiste Victorie Fradelle bur 1875 and b 1779.


I have a Fradelle with the middle name Raimonda. It's like eating custard with a fork.

There's a burial listed in the LMA records for Maria Christina L'estrange 4 Jan 1843 age 59, abode University Ct(?), St Pancras, buried at Highgate Cemetery. So she would have been born about 1783.

Oooooh - that's perfect. Off for a look

[Merry]

Henry Fradelle should be at Seymour Place St Pancras in 1851 as his son was baptised from there on 16th April having been born on 1st April.

[Merry]

Try this in 1851: Laura Amanda Fardell

[Merry]

An awful lot of their children died :( - several between 1841 and 1851

The next baby was delivered the day after the census, but he died the same Q.

[Merry]

1861:

Henry J Tradelle

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=MDXRG9_71_73-0337&fn=Henry+J&ln=Tradelle&st=d&ssrc=&pid=391936

I see he has his father-in-law with them, but they both have the same surname, so one or other bit is probably wrong! (I think it's his father, Henri)

[kiterunner]

Could be his stepfather? They often used "in law" to mean step and he could have taken his stepfather's surname.

[Merry]

Good point!