William Johnson (FFF)

[borobabs]

Name - "official" name and what they were known as
William Johnson

Date and place of birth
7 August 1853 South West Bromwich Staffordshire

Names of parents
James Johnson and Hannah Roberts

Date and place of baptism - if applicable
???

Details of each of his or her marriages -
24th July 1877 The Wesley Chapel Ilkeston Basford Mary Bathyia Revill wintnesses J S Revill and A E Northwood

Occupation(s)
Forge Labourer
Roll Turner

Military service - if any
???
Addresses where they lived and census found on
1861 19 Harford St Harborne, Staffordshire
1871 119 Chapel St Handsworth, Staffordshire,
1881 ???? not with wife
1891 196 North Rd Ilkeston, Derbyshire
1901 12 Salisbury St Middlesbrough,
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Date, place and cause of death
havnt found him yet to many

Date and place of burial / cremation
???
.
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
???
Memorial inscription - if any
???

[Margaret in Burton]

I've been searching on the 1911 census for either him or Mary but I can't find them. Do you think they had both died by then?

[borobabs]

Marg I have no idea at all there youngest was born in 1897 Haanna here they are on 1901

http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1901&h=29131576&ti=5544&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t4069208_p-1655413778_g32768

This is my main family and havew only 1 contact with them in it , carnt belive that but just havnt found any living rellies for them at all apart from 1 ;;

[ElizabethHerts]

Here they are in 1911:

RG number: RG14 Piece: 28167 Reference: RG14PN28167 RD512 SD2 ED11 SN13


Address:
13 Doncaster Road Denaby Main Rotherham

[ElizabethHerts]

In 1911
Mary Bathya Johnson is head of house and a widow She had had 8 children, 5 still alive, 3 dead (crossed through) Married 25 years (crossed through)
John Johnson Son 22 single Motor man below ground in the coal mine
Mary ELizabeth Whitehouse daur married 2 years aged 19
Hannah Johnson Daur 13 single Nurse girl
Harry Revill Cousin 27 Coal miner
Walter Whitehouse Nephew 4 months

[borobabs]

I was just writing that I didnt think that was them as she came from Ilkleston but the fact you have wrote Harry Revill makes it that it must be , now why did they go there I wonder ?? I have only ever had 5 children for them ;;

[ElizabethHerts]

Mary Elizabeth Johnson
married
Walter Whitehouse
Dec qr 1908 Doncaster 9c 1377

[borobabs]

I have only had Samuel J Johnson and then
William H Johnston
John G Johnston
Mary E Johnston
Hannah Johnston

Yes must be and the Revill connection Elizabeth

[ElizabethHerts]

Babs, surely it must be them with the name "Bathya"?

[ElizabethHerts]

I have found a marriage worth investigation:

John E Johnson
married
Clara Whitehouse
Jun qr 1915 Doncaster 9c 1517

The initial is wrong but perhaps it was a mistake?

[borobabs]

Many thanks Elizabeth will look into that ;;as well got me well back into this family again now and maybe fingers X some new rellies might come out of it , got to go now babysitting this morning but many thanks dear;;

[ElizabethHerts]

It's a pleasure, Babs.

[Margaret in Burton]

Am sending you the image Babs.

Mary isn't head of house though. Son John is listed above her and has signed the form. I does say she was from Ilkeston but I was only looking in Middlesbrough, so that's why I couldn't find them.

I would imagine they went to Rotherham for work, big mining area then.

[Margaret in Burton]

Although it's been crossed out it does say she was married 25 years. As they married in 1877 that gives us 1902 when she was widowed.

This could be his death:

William Johnson
Sep qtr 1902
Middlesbrough
9d 362
age 48

[Margaret in Burton]

There is no death in Rotherham of a William Johnson of the right age in 1902 +/- a year.

The only one in Rotherham was in 1903 and he was born in 1851.

Middlebrough only brings up the one I gave you in my last post, the rest are miles out age wise.

[borobabs]

Wow thanks for that Marg , and the image , on teesvalley indexes there is 2 Williams so will make enquires with them this afternoon about that as Im going there to pick up certs from yesterday ;; They dont give them out anymore on demand send through post or pick up the next day now etc ;;;
Least I now have a lead on John which I didnt have before thanks to you two ;;

[borobabs]

Asked at Middlesbrough about Williams deaths and took copy of listing down with me , they can take up to 5 days to deal with quieries and e-mails, charming they used to do things straight away ,,,,also charging £10 per cert there now so can imagine this is all Cleveland Council offices ;;

[borobabs]

Have had e-mail from Middlesbrough and the William on there books was done by daughter and was 57 so doesnt look like mine

[borobabs]

Although it's been crossed out it does say she was married 25 years. As they married in 1877 that gives us 1902 when she was widowed.

This could be his death:

William Johnson
Sep qtr 1902
Middlesbrough
9d 362
age 48

Heard back from MIiddlesbrough and the William they have was 57 and registered by daughter not wife ;;

[Margaret in Burton]

That one looks like it's the right one. Couldn't you order from the GRO?

I mean the one I found

[borobabs]

I could but you would think that the boro would have had the right one ;;they have 2 listed but said the other one is 30 ;;;so bit mystery , and William had no daughter that would have been old enough to have registered it ;;

[JayG]

Babs I thought the extra £1 was for P&P, if your picking them up surely they can't charge more than £9 for them.

According to Guy (Etchells) Local RO's can't charge more than the statutory fee.

Was William living in Boro in 1901? Get the RO to check the address on the cert to see if it matches.

[borobabs]

Jay they made me a bit m,ad today as they didnt really seem interested I took in copy of 1901 census with me to help them and that had the address wrote on it , she told me that they didnt need it and had my e-mail , was bit disapointed as they do know I spend quite some money in there but this was main registrar so didnt argue with her , it wasnt till I came home and got my copy of MFT mag that I saw on piece wrote in it that certs are £9-25 and felt bit cheated but I will question this when I'm back in hopefully later this week ;;

[ElizabethHerts]

I'd definitely get it from the GRO because if it is the wrong one (i.e. a completely different age) you can tell them their register is wrong and ask for a refund!

[borobabs]

Hmm Very true Elizabeth , now thats just decided me lol thanks for that ;;

[JayG]

Babs it's £9.25 from the GRO but £9.00 from local RO's.

[borobabs]

Hmm Jay so theyowe me £2-00 will let them know that when they reply to my e-mail ;;