Sally van Norden

[ElizabethHerts]

Merry's post has prompted this, so I thought I'd post it separately.

I have a sampler (probably my grandmother's). I don't know anything about it and don't even remember it from her house. I don't know of any family connection to us, but who knows!


It was worked by :

SALLY VAN NORDEN AGED 7 1807

It is in English with a very English-looking house and appearance.

"Now blest the Maid whom circling years improve
Her GOD the object of her warmest love
Whose useful hours successive as they glid
The BOOK the NEEDLE and the PEN divid
Who sees her Parents Heart exult with joy
And the fond tear stands sparkling in their eye"

I just have never been able to find any Van Norden family in England.

Any thoughts?

[garstonite]

there is a Sarah Norden b 4th feb 1798 Martley, Worcester
submitted twice...the second one has Sarah or Mejitimate Norden ???
is this a possible for Sally ? ....allan

[ElizabethHerts]

Alan, I saw that and did wonder. Thanks for pointing it out again.

Perhaps the "Van" got dropped.

[Merry]

Oops, I was putting my replies on my thread! lol

Phineas Ezekiel Van Noorden, music teacher b Edinburgh abt 1825

Father, R Ezekiel Van Noorden b Arundel Sussex abt 1792. (From 1871 and 1861 census)

Just need R Ezekiel to have a sister called Sally! lol

[ElizabethHerts]

A lot of my mum's family came from Sussex so it might tie up!

They are bound to be mistranscribed....

[garstonite]

Hiya Elizabeth...I`ve just been on geneanet.org
414 familytrees for Van Norden .....NOT A ONE in England....
origin from Naarden a town in Netherlands = Van Norden
plenty in New York and South Africa.....zilch in England....

Genes reunited 3 Sarah Van Norden b 1794 England entries
allan

[ElizabethHerts]

Allan, thanks. That ties up with what I have previously found ... lots of families in North America.

[ElizabethHerts]

I have found this:

http://www.bazalgette.com/phpgedview/individual.php?pid=I10&ged=bazalgette.ged&tab=0

However, the date worries me. My sampler quite clearly says "Age 7 1807" so there is no leaway for 6 years!

[Mary from Italy]

there is a Sarah Norden b 4th feb 1798 Martley, Worcester
submitted twice...the second one has Sarah or Mejitimate Norden ???
is this a possible for Sally ? ....allan

Looks like a misreading of Illegitimate to me.

[garstonite]

That`s what I thought Mary....then I just thought well maybe it`s a Scandinavian name.....Mejitimate.....:confused::confused::confu sed: allan
ADDED....just read that Elizabeth....15 children between1812-1836 .... and lived to be 72....that`s a hard life.....that has to be the Sarah Van Norden that`s on GR.....allan

[Cloggie]

origin from Naarden a town in Netherlands = Van Norden

The word "van", meaning "of" or "from" suggests the name is of Dutch origin.
"van Noorden" is more likely to refer to a place called Noorden than the town of Naarden (otherwise the name would be "van Naarden"). There is a village called Noorden in the province of Zuid-Holland, and also a town called Norden in Niedersachsen (Lower-Saxony) in Northwest Germany.

This is a good site for looking up the origin of Dutch surnames: http://www.meertens.knaw.nl/nfb/index.php?taal=eng

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks, Garstonite and Cloggie. I had always assumed the name was of Dutch origin.

The interesting thing is that the little girl has embroidered "Van Norden" and not "Van Noorden" on the sampler, which is already an anglicisation (?). That is assuming that the name started out as Van Noorden.

I really don't know whether I shall get any further with it. We are contemplating having it valued as if it has no family link (which I don't think it has) it would be better off in the possession of someone ideally with links to the family or who would look after it better than I can (wrapped in bubble wrap in a drawer).