Too mean to get the cert!

[Merry]

Research for a friend so nothing to add to BK6

Louisa Moran was registered for birth in Q3 1851 in Marylebone district.

She says she was b in Marylebone in later censuses.

Louisa married Edward Varney in Feb 1871 at St Mary Newington and the marriage cert is on the LMA records. She says her father was John Moran, an upholsterer. She also admits to being a minor, so, in theory someone gave their consent to the marriage.

I'm not convinced about the John Moran bit - I can't find anyone to fit just before Louisa's birth in 1851 and in 1861 she is an inmate at St Marylebone Parochial School.

Can anyone work out if her father is really out there somewhere? I'm also disappointed I can't find a baptism for her.

[Phoenix]

What workhouse records are available online? If, as I think you might be suggesting, she was illegitimate:eek: she might be a pauper in the workhouse at some stage, before being shipped off to the school.

[Merry]

Oooh, I don't know, Phoenix!

[Merry]

If the state took her in, would they have to be sure she was baptised, or have her done if they were not certain?

[Nell]

I would think so, but on the other hand she might have been baptised in a church whose records aren't online.

I'm intrigued that she put her father's occupation down as "upholsterer" as that's quite specific, not like saying "labourer" or such.

[Nell]

I take it you've dismissed this lot because John is a printer-compositor

1851
HO107; Piece: 1490; Folio: 359; Page: 76

[kiterunner]

Who were the witnesses at her wedding?

[kiterunner]

Sorry, just remembered it's on ancestry. So, the witnesses were W P(?) Williams and James Lee, both of whom were also witnesses at the previous marriage. Probably no help there, then!

[Nell]

If you don't want to fork out for the cert (and I can understand that!) I think you'll have to wait for the relevant parochial records to appear online.

Have you looked to find a female Moran old enough to be Louisa's Mum who died at a likely time/place?

[Merry]

I thought I was on to something when I found a family in 1851 indexed as Morat. Unfortunately the dad, John, has the occ of 'porter at piano forte works' and having looked for other evidence of his occ (such as LMA marriages for some of his children) he only gets granded-up to piano forte maker! lol

I agree Nell - upholsterer does seem specific. Maybe his name was John Something-else and her mum was the Moran?

I have faffed about with the 1851 until I'm blue in the face. The printers compositor's family were still intact in 1861, so I'm thinking she didn't belong to them as it's unlikely she would have been in that school. Also it's another very specific occupation.

Maybe you're right and a baptism will surface eventually? Why couldn't she have been born before April :(