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Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Wiliam Baker
Date and place of birth
Abt 1816 Trostrey Usk Monmouthshire Wales
Names of parents
????
Date and place of baptism - if applicable
?????
Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
Marie Griffiths sent for one cert but said wrong name ??
Occupation(s) - if any
Ag babourer then Farmer
Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which
censuses you have or haven't found him/her on.
1841 Trostrey Usk
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 749; Book: 22; Civil Parish: Trostrey; County: Monmouthshire; Enumeration District: 3; Folio: 6; Page: 10; Line: 14; GSU roll: 438845
1851 No 16 Trostrey Usk
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2450; Folio: 233; Page: 5; GSU roll: 104190.
Date, place and cause of death
???
Date and place of burial / cremation.
???
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
???
Memorial inscription - if any
???
The problem with this family is Im not 100%sure there are the right ones they William and Maria have 2 children Mary Baker b ab 1842 and George William b ab 1853???
I have followed this family before and Im sure they are all still there in area on the 1881 census where as my George was up here in North Ormesby lodging with my grandparents family
I would love to solve this wall out please ;;;
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 12:57
Marriage:
William Baker and Maria Griffiths
Pontypool
June qtr 1840
Vol 26 Page 195
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 13:00
1851 census has his age as 35 making him born about 1816 not 1821.
Oh right Margaret will go alter that ;;
Im just of out to docs with hubby wont be to long I hope ;;
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 13:05
1861 has him as 47, so born nearer to 1814
RG9; Piece: 4012; Folio: 50; Page: 8; GSU roll: 543221
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8768&iid=MONRG9_4012_4020-0085&fn=William&ln=Baker&st=d&ssrc=&pid=13479362
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 13:12
1871, Maria seems to be called Ann. Not a different wife though as she's back to Maria again in 1881.
William seems to have been born c 1814-1816
RG10; Piece: 5338; Folio: 49; Page: 6; GSU roll: 848443
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7618&iid=MONRG10_5338_5341-0031&fn=Wm&ln=Baker&st=r&ssrc=&pid=7069876
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 13:13
1881
RG11; Piece: 5257; Folio: 52; Page: 9
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8059&iid=MONRG11_5255_5261-0284&fn=William&ln=Baker&st=r&ssrc=&pid=16131058
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 13:15
1891
RG12; Piece: 4366; Folio 38; Page 2
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=6897&iid=MONRG12_4365_4367-0396&fn=William&ln=Baker&st=r&ssrc=&pid=1401839
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 13:17
1901 Maria is a widow.
RG13; Piece: 4951; Folio: 41; Page: 6
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7815&iid=MONRG13_4951_4956-0082&fn=Maria&ln=Baker&st=r&ssrc=&pid=31631830
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 13:21
Here is his death:
William Baker
June qtr 1898 aged 82
Pontypool 11a 87
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 13:30
Maria died in 1901
Maria Baker
Dec qtr 1901 aged 83
Pontypool 11a 113
Can't find a baptism on the IGI, doesn't appear to list Monmouthshire amongst it's options for county.
Marriage cert will give you his fathers name though.
Cheers Marg you have been hard at it ;;
Just had alll the certs out to check things ;;
on George'e marriage cert to my G Gran he has put father John Baker General Labourer, so how Howie came to give me this family I carnt remember properly I think it was to do with George saying he was 32 in 1885 making him b 1853 I got in touch with the place who deals with BC for pontypool and they said the cert I had was the only one in time range, and that was this family ???? thats what makes me wonder about it, so just feel I carnt claim them as mine yet ;;;
Does that sound right to you???
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 15:46
No, something doesn't sound right.
When and where was your George born? (just noticed 1853)
Was he George Baker?
Do you have George on a census with his parents at all?
No Margaret dont have him on any census with hiss parents ;;he just appeared as lodger at my G G Grandparents and then married there daughter this is him on 1881
http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&h=26533658&ti=5544&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t4069208_p-1655413678_g32768
kiterunner
14-04-10, 15:56
Babs, you have a thread about George Baker on Rootschat where you say that the George who was born in Trostery is still with parents William and Maria on the 1881 census when your George was in Middlesbrough, so that George isn't yours.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,278252.0.html
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 16:01
Babs, you have a thread about George Baker on Rootschat where you say that the George who was born in Trostery is still with parents William and Maria on the 1881 census when your George was in Middlesbrough, so that George isn't yours.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,278252.0.html
Kate
See #8 on this thread. 1881 is just William and Maria, no children at all.
Babs, did you ever buy George Baker's birth cert? I've just been looking at the TOGG thread for him and you never said if you got it or not.
Oh Pass was there a BC mentioned on that thread ;;;??? gosh I hope not cos if so no I never :::
kiterunner
14-04-10, 16:05
Funnily enough, I was just about to post up the link to the George Baker TOGG thread:
http://genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showthread.php?t=2473&highlight=George+Baker
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 16:07
I'm wondering where the name George William came from. He is only George on the marriage cert and only George on the 1881 census.
Was it just invented?
Should we be looking for George or George William?
kiterunner
14-04-10, 16:10
I think that came from confusion with his son's name.
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 16:13
There doesn't appear to be any George Baker's with father John born at the right time in Wales at all.
He should at least be on the 1861 census with parents
Very odd.
Right I have certs here with me and on daughters BC he is George and on His Marriage cert says George its on his wifes DC that the confusion has come from it says widow of George William and it was done by her sister ;;so going by tog thread for George there is 2 possible ones and 1 could be the 1 I have here dam ;;
Margaret he has been my wall for long enough I have searched loads of pages on all census and couldnt find him ;;
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 16:19
The birth cert you have, is his father John?
I'm wondering if he was illegitimate and made up the name of his father.
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 16:21
Margaret he has been my wall for long enough I have searched loads of pages on all census and couldnt find him ;;
As bad as Dave's grandad. Damned impossible brick wall. Wouldn't talk about his family and still can't find anything. Covered his tracks well the s*d did.
kiterunner
14-04-10, 16:22
Of course, it's possible that George's birth wasn't registered, since he was born before registration was compulsory.
I have 2 Marg this one and one on Tez's tree
Just been looking at that BC number and its june qtr 1854 and the one I have here is june 1854????
Oh dont say that Kite I will never find them sobs ;;;
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 16:25
I have 2 Marg this one and one on Tez's tree
Just been looking at that BC number and its june qtr 1854 and the one I have here is june 1854????
Who's the father on that one?
William mother Maria Griffiths arghhhhhhhhh
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 16:41
William mother Maria Griffiths arghhhhhhhhh
That's the wrong one then if his father was John.
Where the hell is he before 1881 I wonder?
God knows Marg but he aint telling me ;;
How may years could we be out by do you think this is what I had saved in notes ;;
All births Monmouthshire on Free BMD
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Births Jun 1851 (>99%)
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Baker George Hereford &c 26 194
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Births Jun 1852 (>99%)
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Baker George Monmouth 11a 29
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Births Mar 1853 (>99%)
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Baker George Chepstow 11a 2
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Births Sep 1853 (98%)
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BAKER George Hereford 6a 402
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Births Jun 1854 (99%)
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BAKER George Pontypool 11a 164
BAKER George Frederick Newport M 11a 175
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Births Sep 1855 (>99%)
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Baker George Monmouth 11a 17
Baker George Chepstow 11a 2
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Births Jun 1857 (>99%)
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BAKER George Hereford 6a 435
BAKER George Albert Newport M 11a 154
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Births Mar 1858 (>99%)
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Baker George Samuel Newport M 11a 180
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Births Sep 1858 (>99%)
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Baker George Newport M 11a 192
Baker George Chepstow 11a 10
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Births Jun 1859 (>99%)
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BAKER George Chepstow 11a 5[3_]
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Births Dec 1859 (>99%)
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BAKER George Abergavenny 11a 78
BAKER George Hereford 6a 437
Margaret in Burton
14-04-10, 17:12
Lots of possibles there Babs, but a lot of money wasted if wrong certs.
kiterunner
14-04-10, 17:59
If he was born in Pontypool, then the only possible one of those would be the one that you already have, wouldn't it?
Like going round in circles isnt it
Howie was saying that most of those areas came under Pontypool years ago and are Monmouthshire
kiterunner
14-04-10, 18:30
Yes, they are Monmouthshire, but I don't understand what he means about "came under Pontypool" - those are separate districts from Pontypool?
Oh he might have meant they all came under Momouthshire then Kite its a couple years ago now and its remembering exactly the way things where sorted out over a few nights , he has lived near that area all his life ;;;just flustrating more than anything ;;
Margaret in Burton
15-04-10, 07:59
I can't understand one thing.
The George Baker you have the birth cert for, parents William and Maria nee Griffiths:
Where the heck is he on the census? He never appears with them. I've looked for a death but there isn't one in Pontypool before 1861. Of course he could have died elsewhere in Momouthshire but as the ages aren't on the indexes then it's impossible to know.
There isn't a George Baker anywhere in 1861 who fits that child.
No I spent ages last night going though it myself Marg ;;;just baffling isnt it ;;
Howie thought at one point that the chepstow one was him and living with his grandfather in 61 or 71 but god knows ;;;why was he so dammed adamant about pontypool monmouthshire ;;??? guess we will ever know for now ;;
Margaret in Burton
15-04-10, 08:06
It's the same with Dave's grandad. The 1911 says he was born in Rotherham, Yorkshire. Can't find him before 1911 and can't find a birth either.
I have two and one is Tez's G Grandfather same as this one is mine lol carnt belive 2 branches stuck at G Grandparents ;;
Margaret in Burton
15-04-10, 08:17
I have two and one is Tez's G Grandfather same as this one is mine lol carnt belive 2 branches stuck at G Grandparents ;;
Dave's is stuck at Grandad and it's his main line. :eek::eek:
OMG thats worse than me lol ;;;no just remembered Tez's is his grandad William Taylor lol what is my memory like ??? dont answer that please ;;
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