Where are they in 1881 and he in 1911 ???

[vallee]

John Gallacher born abt 1878 Norwich Lanarkshire Scotland

Father John Gallacher born abt 1850 same place

Mother Mary Ann Fiford born 1857 Limehouse they married in 1875 Tower Hamlets

in 1891 he is with his Mother in Poplar Father not with them

John Gallacher senior was a Stoker so may be at Sea ???

I did look on Scotlands People but the only likely one the image was missing?

I would also like to find John Gallacher junior in 1911 by that time he was still single he married in 1918 in Hackney and it says Seaman on the marriage cert

in 1901 he was a Furnace Stoker

any help appreciated thanks

[kiterunner]

Are you sure there's such a place as Norwich, Lanarkshire? I've never heard of it - though of course that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. 1891 says John jr was born in Glasgow, but his younger brother Joseph age 11 is shown as born London Poplar, so you would think they should be in London in 1881.

[vallee]

I am not positive Kite but all the other people that him him in their tree seem to think so ??????????????? although it only says Glascow Scotland on the census records ?
Thanks for your reply

[kiterunner]

The birthplace for John sr and John jr on the 1901 census looks like Glasgow Limrick. If you look at the first letter, it is the same as the first letter of Limehouse and London. I wonder whether it is a mangled attempt at Lanark? There is also a John Gallagher age 25, born Glasgow, listed as Fireman on the S S Hermia in Lancashire in 1901; I wonder whether that is John jr too?
He may well be at sea in 1911 in which case he might not be listed at all.

[kiterunner]

I think the other people who have him in their tree got Norwich from ancestry's transcription of the 1901 census, but it definitely doesn't say Norwich on the image.

[vallee]

thats interesting Kite as his two brothers Andrew and George were Fireman ? but I do have John in 1901 as a Stoker

[kiterunner]

He's a Furnace Stoker, isn't he? Wasn't a Fireman much the same thing?

[kiterunner]

Have you seen the baptisms for John and Mary Ann's children in the LMA records on ancestry? They had a few done together, on the 21st November 1883, at St Saviour's Poplar, giving their address as 56 Sabbarton Street:
Joseph born 14th June 1879, William born 1st Nov 1881 and Andrew born 29th Sep 1883.

[vallee]

I wasnt sure if he was a Stoker on board ships ??? as he says seaman on his marriage in 1918 ????????????????????
Not seen the baps yet thanks for that will have a look

[kiterunner]

And there are birth registrations for Henry Joseph Gallacher Sep 1879 Poplar and William Gallacher Dec 1881 Poplar. So surely they must be in Poplar somewhere in 1881?

[vallee]

you would think so ??? but so far not found any of them ,and that address is not on the 1881 census ??? at least not on FMP ?
Thanks for trying Kite

[kiterunner]

Sabberton (or Sabbarton) Street is in All Saints Poplar district 10 on the 1881 census but the images start at page 24, so it looks as though the rest of the street is missing, and maybe the Gallachers with it!

Update - found the rest of it in Poplar district 10! It does say All Saints Poplar on the images, so I have no idea why ancestry decided to split it in two. Now to look through for the Gallachers. It said in the description of enumeration district that there were Sabberton Street and Sabberton Street North, and I think the street may have been renumbered soon after the census, because I don't think there is a number 56 in 1881, but anyway, I'll have a look through.

[kiterunner]

No, no sign of them in Sabbarton Street.

[vallee]

thanks very much Kite I have just logged on and intend having another look for them today they must be somewhere ?

[vallee]

Have found a John Gallacher in Scotland in 1871 as a Heater Fireman ?? could this be my John ??? he is a Stoker in 1875 on his marriage would the two occupations be similar?
Still cannot find him in 1881?

[kiterunner]

Yes, they sound like similar occupations.

[vallee]

thanks Kite he certainly is elusive

[vallee]

somebody kindly found his birth for me he was born in Glasgow in 1877 whoopee , just wish I could find him in the census records?
It says on his Birth his Father is a Statute Labourer ? what does that mean ? thanks

[kiterunner]

Are you sure that's what it says, Val?

[vallee]

98

dont look at all the scribble will you ?

[kiterunner]

Definitely looks like "statute labourer". Googling it comes up with some matches but I can't see one that properly explains what it means.

[vallee]

thanks Kite so have I, do you think it means he works for the government ? he is a stoker or seaman on the few records I can find.