GRO Certificates

[JBee]

Last day at old price.

Now can someone tell me?

I have one with 6 possibilities with a death 1841-1851 so am going to order all 6 in the hope I get the right one. If I order today will they still refund the £4 of the ones that are wrong?

[Merry]

I don't know the answer to your Q, but wondered if we can manage to eliminate any of these six possibles? Do you know where 'your' death should have taken place? (I presume it's somewhere where the local reg office won't help?)

[Michael]

If you ask them to check each reference against a piece of information that you know to be correct (eg residence at the time of death), they'll charge £7 for the one that actually send and £3 for each extra reference checked - so you'll pay £22 at most, less if they find the right one without having to check all the others first. At least, that's how it worked when I had three possible registrations for a birth (all in the same district, year and quarter - it was a common name!)

[Tom Tom]

Can you post the details and we could look on the NBI to try and eliminate some of them?

I am going out shortly, so won't be able to look until I come home but someone else might be able to do it for you.
Tom

[Merry]

Sometimes you can work out which sub district the various death registers were held in.

[JBee]

Unfortunately I don't know where John Milner a leather currier died -

In 1841 census he was living in Morley Halifax Yorks (HO107; Piece 1300; Folio: 47; Page: 4; Line: 23

In 1851 his widow Lydia/Lidia was living at Bolton Rd Bradford. HO107; Piece: 2307; Folio: 510; Page: 22;

Think the age is out as in 1841 both are age 30 but in 1851 Lidia is 48 and subsequent census and age of death agree with 1851.

He could have lived anywhere in the 10 year period so am initially concentrating on Bradford.

These are the ones

Mar 1843 Bradford 23 92
Dec 1843 Bradford 23 144
Dec 1844 Bradford 23 67
Sep 1845 Bradford 23 111
Jun 1847 Bradford 23 140
Jun 1848 Bradford 23 142

My question is after tomorrow will the GRO make a refund if its incorrect like they do now or not?

[Mary from Italy]

My question is after tomorrow will the GRO make a refund if its incorrect like they do now or not?


I would have thought they ought to, because the new rule that they're not accepting checking points only comes into force tomorrow as I understand it.

However, I would have thought you could save money by contacting the Bradford Register Office instead of the GRO. Their prices also go up tomorrow, but local ROs are much more flexible than the GRO, and don't normally charge for checking points. They're usually helpful if you phone them.

[Mary from Italy]

In 1841 census he was living in Morley Halifax Yorks (HO107; Piece 1300; Folio: 47; Page: 4; Line: 23



Just a correction - Morley and Halifax are two different places in Yorkshire. He was living in Halifax in 1841.

I've checked the Calverley PR site, because a lot of my East Bradford people are registered there, but I can't find him.

http://www.calverley.info/

[Merry]

Still can't answer the Q, but this one:

Mar 1843 Bradford 23 92


probably belongs to the 7 month old son of John Milner, draper of Bradford (Bradford Observer) who died 14th Mar 1843.

[Merry]

However, I would have thought you could save money by contacting the Bradford Register Office instead of the GRO. Their prices also go up tomorrow, but local ROs are much more flexible than the GRO, and don't normally charge for checking points. They're usually helpful if you phone them.

That's what I would do too!

[Merry]

This one:

Dec 1844 Bradford 23 67

is probably a 58 year old joiner of Undercliffe Lane (need to check that's def Bradford!) who died 12th Oct 1844 (Bradford Observer)

[Merry]

Sep 1845 Bradford 23 111

There's a death 14th July 1845 at Great Horton reported in the Bradford Observer, but I don't know where Great Horton is. He was 93 and a widower.

[JBee]

Thanks everyone - Yes I'll do that Bradford were very helpful when I went in with a shopping list in January (10 certificates). Unfortunately the bad weather greatly reduced my research at the time.

I did get one death certificate John Milner for Dec 1843 but it was wrong - I didn't know his occupation at the time until I got his wife's death certificate. (Just realised must take it off the list).

Thanks Merry I'll take baby John Milner off the list too.

Regarding Morley and Halifax - I'm not familiar with the area so haven't a clue where boundaries/places are. It said on the 1841 census ancestry transcription sheet for Liddy Milner - Civil Parish - Halifax. Hundred - Morley. County -Yorkshire.

Mind you I had another one which said Stockport Cheshire but when I looked more closely it was Macclesfield (which I know is a different place). One big job to do is to look at the enumerators pages which shows the exact roads etc for the all census entries.

[Merry]

This one:

Dec 1844 Bradford 23 67

is probably a 58 year old joiner of Undercliffe Lane (need to check that's def Bradford!) who died 12th Oct 1844 (Bradford Observer)

Undercliffe Lane is in Bradford, so that's not your man.

[Merry]

Sep 1845 Bradford 23 111

There's a death 14th July 1845 at Great Horton reported in the Bradford Observer, but I don't know where Great Horton is. He was 93 and a widower.

Great Horton should be called Horton in Bradford, and is in Bradford district, so this reg isn't your man either.

[JBee]

Oh Merry - you've been very busy.

John was down as 30 in 1841 but probably nearer 40 - his wife Lydia died in 1873 age 74.

Looks like its down to 2 in Bradford now so I can ask them to check more easily.

June 1847 - 23 140
Jun 1848 - 23 142

Thanks everso for your help.

Where did you find the newspaper entries?

[Merry]

On the Gale site - I have access through my local library. Should I be looking at Halifax as well? I was thinking she might have returned to Bradford after her husband died as she had family there? (being her place of birth).

Do you know if Martha and Jane were def both born in Bradford though? (suggesting Halifax was a passing phase!)

[Merry]

Oooh, there are no deaths in Halifax (FreeBMD) so that's good!

[Merry]

I didn't get rid of this one either:

Dec 1843 Bradford 23 144

[JBee]

Sorry yes that's right you didn't - that was the one I got which was wrong - he was a 39 year old weaver not a leather currier.

Liddy says she was born in Wibsey in the 1861 and 1871 census's. They married at Elland in 1826 (IGI) and first child Mary Ann born Bradford 1826 - 2nd living child Alice b1830 Halifax. 2 Jane Milner's were born in Mar qtr 1839 in Halifax and the only Jane born in Bradford was after the 1841 census. So think the 1851 census birth place of Bradford for Jane and Martha was wrong and it should have been Halifax in both cases.

In 1861 Martha (now Driver) says she was born in Halifax.

I'm going to bite the bullet and send for the last two possibles.

Thanks for all your help.

[Merry]

So, if there's no death in Halifax for John (there isn't) then those later deaths in Bradford are more likely than the earier ones we have eliminated, so that's good.

[Mary from Italy]

Regarding Morley and Halifax - I'm not familiar with the area so haven't a clue where boundaries/places are. It said on the 1841 census ancestry transcription sheet for Liddy Milner - Civil Parish - Halifax. Hundred - Morley. County -Yorkshire.


I hadn't realised Halifax was in the Morley hundred. A hundred was an administrative division within a county, so they lived in the parish of Halifax, hundred of Morley, county of Yorkshire (West Riding). Morley is also the name of a town in the West Riding, about 12 miles from Halifax in the Leeds direction.

[JBee]

I've only ever heard of Morley with regard to Rugby League so am none the wiser.

Hopefully John and Lydia moved back to Bradford and didn't go wandering off in all directions and that the certificates I've ordered will include the right one.

I've bit the bullet and ordered loads of certificates (only for direct lines as I need a major mortgage to get them all). Just hope there's no duds amongst them.!!!

[Mary from Italy]

By the way, I checked the NBI and found nothing, but there's hardly any coverage for Bradford for that period.

[JBee]

Thanks Merry and Mary - all help much appreciated.