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1830
i would love the address of joseph holder born 1830 in stroud gloucestershire his father i beleive was edward holder not sure of mother.also if he had any siblings;) brenda xxx
Is he the one born in Stanley, Gloucestershire and the husband of Sarah who shows up in Hunslet in later years?
yes this is who i started my tree with brenda xxx
When you say you want his address, do you mean his birth address?
I can't even find him with any confidence at all before his marriage. Surely his baptism isn't likely to give an address if he was born in a village?
Do you know when his father died?
what i have is east dean gloucestershire brenda xxx
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this is him with the rest of his children brenda xxx
You have East Dean for his baptism? That's probably as good an address as you will get!!
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this is the other saying where born brenda xxx
Oh, so that's not the result of research then? (they are not the same!)
Stroud is quite a long way from East Dean...........and where is Stanley?
Have you got his marriage cert?
yes he was married at st nicholas church 1851 there is one n taynton were the holders are from and there all located in and around taynton.there all in gloucestershire ....it was the address but there were no census before then was there ?brenda xxx
ah going to look on the mariage cert now brenda xxx
Well, the 1851 and 1841 censuses were before his marriage!
I was wondering why you only 'believe' his father was Edward Holder if you have the marriage cert. What did it say about Edward?
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not good to read brenda xxx
his father was edward its his mum i dont know brenda xxx
EDWARD HOLDER Pedigree
Male Family
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Event(s):
Birth:
Marriages:
Spouse: HESTER TAINTON
Marriage: 26 AUG 1822 Owlpen, Gloucester, England
where is Owlpen?
Truck loads of Holders Being baptised in Owlpen
where is Owlpen?
It's near Stroud Jess.
Uncle John
04-04-10, 18:54
Most of my country bumpkins lived in places like "The village". Street names and numbers were usually only used in towns and cities.
Bren
I have the Owlpen marriages from 1887-1837
these are the Holder and variants marriages:
Richard Ford & Sarah Houlder 24 Oct 1697
Richard Holder & Hannah Fords 6 May 1755
Thomas Matthews & Elizabeth Holder 8 July 1755
James Houlder & Alice Cumming 7 June 1762
Samuel Holder & Ann Wilkins 20 Jan 1777
John Love & Hannah Holder by licence, consent of her parents 9 Sep 1777
Wm King, sojourner, & Mary Holder 22 Aug 1779
James Holder & Jane Hook 7 May 1781
Anthony Dean [of] Uley & Hester Holder 16 July 1781
Matthew Ford & Elizabeth Holder 7 July 1794
Richard Holder & Rachel Summers [of] Uley, 11 Feb 1798
Shadrach Jobbins [Uley] & Sophia Holder 3 July 1808
Richard Holder & Jane Young 27 Oct 1817
Edward Holder & Hester Tainton 26 Aug 1822
Ludbie Sherwood & Deborah Holder 24 Mar 1824
John Elliotts & Elizabeth Holder 5 Feb 1828
John Jobbins & Rachel Holder 20 Oct 1828
Enoch Barnfield of Cam & Sarah Holder 16 Nov 1833
Bren, how do you know Edward's parents names (on your Ancestry tree - Robert Holder and Elizabeth Rogers, nee Surmon), year of birth (1800) and wife's name (Margaret)?
that came throught ancestry and i put it but not sure its def.still searching.i was try to match with the early holders and story mum gave me before she died.i know they originated in taynton early 1500,s i get to late 1700,s from documents i have from gloucestershire records office then i habe my joseph born 1829/30.stroud and stanley,bulley ,taynton,east dean, are all little villiages all near each other in a block. at first i thought edward and hester tainton might be his parents.married 1822 owlpen another little villiage near taynton.brenda xxxx
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this is the taynton map i have showing all the villiages rnd xxxx
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these are my early holders,the info my mum gave me and i went to gloucestershire records office.as you see its well thum because i spilt ink on it but i can still make out what it says.i have 23 pages of this as its john, holders life,land who owned and bought,children but it stops in 1800 with henretta holder who lived in taynton house and died.i cant find who in johns children we originated from so i was trying to work back from joseph.i have a gap in the middle.brenda xxxx
Where did your mum get that info from?
re the question where is stanley, i have some people born hunslett and it sometimes says stanningley as well, hope this helps
It's in Gloucestershire!
Stanningley, however, is at Pudsey, just west of Leeds.
If Joseph was born in Stroud or Stanley [presumably you have found this on the census?] then 'Stanley' is likely to be either Kings Stanley or Leonard Stanley - both small villages near Stroud, Gloucestershire
re the question where is stanley, i have some people born hunslett and it sometimes says stanningley as well, hope this helps
i lived in hunslet ....staningly its about 8 miles from hunslet
i lived in hunslet never knew my great gran lived there too.brenda xxx
Where did your mum get that info from?
her mum and grandmother ........brenda xxxx
re the question where is stanley, i have some people born hunslett and it sometimes says stanningley as well, hope this helps
staningly and hunslet...these are yorkshire not gloucestershire brenda xxx
Where did your mum get that info from?
there was a story that land was left to one of the holder.. girls. mum said her parents wouldnt let her have it and it went to the church......they were baptist.brendaxxx
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