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[bidston]

name - elizabeth jones nee alden(haldane)
place of birth - pudsey, leeds - in 1861 age 44, in 1851 age 35, in 1841 age 20, so about 1815/6?
name of parents - john halden/elizabeth alden
baptism - pudsey/bramley?
marriage - to thomas jones born marely, leeds - date unknown - thomas on 1851 census but absent on 1861 census
occupation - 1851 power loom weaver, 1861 washerwoman
address's - 1851 223 greaves fold, pudsey, 1861 stanningley, bramley, 1841 stanningley, pudsey, 1871 - bramley, leeds
death - unknown
burial - unknown
will - not for a washerwoman
memorial inscription - unknown

[borobabs]

Bidston no answers to anything from me yet to early but this sit is brilliant for Leeds research ;;

http://www.yorkshireindexers.co.uk

[bidston]

thanks borobabs, hope your man is well

[ElizabethHerts]

Bidston, if you put in an approximate year of birth (and other such information which you get from the census) perhaps someone can look for the birth/baptism and other details.

[bidston]

thanks elizabeth, have edited post

[kiterunner]

Adults' ages were rounded down to a multiple of 5 on the 1841 census, so that one is usually the least accurate. If Elizabeth is 35 on the 1851 and 44 on the 1861 then she was probably born about 1815 - 1816.

[ElizabethHerts]

1861 reference

RG09 Piece: 3355 Folio: 64 Page: 35

Registration District: Hunslet Sub District: 2 Kirkstall EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:Bramley

Stanningley Bramley, Bramley, Stanningley, Leeds County:
Yorkshire (West Riding)


The image seems to suggest she was born in Holbeck (Leeds). There are just ditto marks for her place of birth.

[bidston]

thanks for that kiterunner, i would of thought the opposite, younger they are, better their memory

[bidston]

hi elizabeth, never seen holbeck before, maybe the ditto marks are for leeds

[kiterunner]

thanks for that kiterunner, i would of thought the opposite, younger they are, better their memory

That would normally be true, but there were special rules for the 1841 census saying ages should be rounded down, so an age of 20 means 20-24.

This looks like a likely marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth:

Apr-Jun 1845 Bradford Yk, Elizabeth Arundale and Thomas Jones, vol 23, page 246. There are other names on the same page, so we can't be sure that these two married each other, but fingers crossed! I seem to remember Arundale turning up as a possible variant of the surname somewhere along the way?

[bidston]

that looks good, i did find a birth for elizabeth arundall 25 dec 1816, lane particular baptist church, bramley, but was unsure because of the spelling

also had a marriage for parents joseph arundale and elizabeth broughton 17 feb 1806, st peters, leeds

but now know that father was john halden from elizabeths sister martha's marriage 19 mar 1862, which i have the certificate for, might be another family? cheers

[ElizabethHerts]

Do you think this just might be her baptism?

25 DEC 1816 Lane Particular Baptist, Bramley By Leeds, Yorkshire, England
JOSEPH ARUNDALL
Mother: ELIZABETH

Oops! I was looking at this while you were posting!

[ElizabethHerts]

You need to order the marriage certificate, then we might make some progress!:)

[bidston]

on sister martha's marriage certificate it definitely says john halden,deceased, fitter/turner
19 march 1862

[kiterunner]

Have you seen the certificate yourself? I'm just wondering if it could have been misread?

[bidston]

that's a good point, as you may remember the certificates go to my sister who cannot read them very well, i will ring her again and check that out, thanks

[Margaret in Burton]

We have had this discussion about your sister and her reading of the certs before. She could be giving you mis information. You need to get them scanned and emailed to you. Your sister must know someone who can do this for her if she can't do it yourself.

Don't want to go miles off on the wrong track because of a reading error. I would never trust someone else to read mine.

[bidston]

hi all, spoke to my sister last night, it is definitely martha, elizabeth's sister, halden on the certificate, father is john halden, writing is quite clear on the name, so where that leaves us with arundall i don't know, bit of a stretch linking the 2 names, what do people think

[Margaret in Burton]

You have to remember that spellings are a bit random. Very few people were literate and wouldn't have been able to say, "you've spelt my name wrongly".

Names were spelt how they sounded, taking accents into consideration anything is possible.

[bidston]

good point, they only made their mark anyway, will look at that again

[bidston]

still got john on the marriage certificate and joseph on the birth though

[bidston]

as well as elizabeth arundall, i have found james arandall 25 aug 1808 and esquire arundall 24 may 1819, both same details as elizabeth, i.e. lane particular baptist bramley. no mention of these 2 in later census with the haldanes or haldens though

parents joseph and elizabeth