Richard Ashton MMMF

[Rosie Knees]

Name - "official" name and what they were known as
RICHARD ASHTON

Date and place of birth
C1822 - PEWSEY, WILTS

Names of parents
UNKNOWN

Date and place of baptism - if applicable
UNKNOWN

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
MARRIED TO MARTHA WILLIAMS NEE MOOR. I have been unable to find a marriage. Martha was from Antrim so possible they married there as two of their later children were born Antrim. Richard and Martha's first child Richard was born 1856 'Tower of London' which I assume to be the barracks where Richard snr was stationed.

Occupation(s) - if any
Shepherd and soldier. Richard was in the 54th foot for over 20 years, serving in India during the mutiny. Army number 2042. One of their children was born in India.

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on.
1841 - can't find him on census
1845 - joined up at Swindon
1847 - Malta
1848 - Antigua
1851 - Canada
1854 - England
1856 - Tower of London (first child born)
1857 - Calcutta
July 1864 - London
Nov 1864 - Chelsea out-pensioner
1868 - son Robert born Pewsey
1871 census - Cold Corner, Wilcot, Wilts
Dec 1871 - daughter Mary born Savernake Wilts
1874 - daughter Alice born Antrim
1881 Martha listed as widow so deceased prior to 81.


Date, place and cause of death
HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE RICHARD'S DEATH. His last child was born c1874 in Thannaghmore Antrim although I realise he may not be the child's father (I haven't got her cert); I've been caught like that before when the 'father' died too many months before the child was born!

Martha is listed as a widow age 78 on the 1911

Date and place of burial / cremation.
U/K

Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
U/K

Memorial inscription - if any
U/K

*just going to get census details - I'll be back*

[kiterunner]

There is a Richard Ashton death listed in the Irish Civil Registration indexes on FamilySearch RecordSearch in 1877, Belfast Registration district, age 54.

[Rosie Knees]

forgive me for sounding a complete muppet! Where can I find that please? I'm assuming FamilySearch is LDS but can't find RecordSearch.

[kiterunner]

It's the new pilot site, Rosie:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html

[Rosie Knees]

crikey mikey, that looks promising. Thanks Kate. I never knew about that site.

Now, is there any way of getting a copy cert? I know FreeBMD don't do NI.

[kiterunner]

You have to order it from Ireland - I seem to remember that for pre-1922 Northern Ireland certs you can order from either the Republic or Northern Ireland. I'll see if I can find the details in a few minutes.

[kiterunner]

Here's the N Ireland GRO link:
http://www.groni.gov.uk/

and the Republic of Ireland one:
http://www.groireland.ie/

[Rosie Knees]

Thank you Kate. I'll order that cert I think.

Do NI certs have the same info asEnglish ones?

[kiterunner]

Yes, they do.

[maggie_4_7]

Could this be Richard on the 1841 someone has corrected his name.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&gsfn=richard&gsln=ashton&=%2c%2c1%2c+%2c%2c&gsby=1822&gsb2co=3251%2cEngland&gsb2pl=5290%2cWiltshire&gsdy=&gsd2co=1%2cAll+Countries&gsd2pl=1%2c+&sbo=0&sbor=&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-b&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=14687081&recoff=1+13+14&db=uki1841&indiv=1

[Rosie Knees]

Thanks Kate.

I did wonder if that was him Maggie but it says ASHON on the actual census so I guess I'll never know from that. I need to get to see the parish records and find his baptism I think, to find his parents' names.

[maggie_4_7]

Do you know the person that corrected the name? Have you contacted them through ancestry?

[Rosie Knees]

err, no and no! I never thought of that lol.

Off to have a look now.

[Rosie Knees]

have sent a message to the corrector Maggie. Oddly, their name doesn't come up in my ancestry hints for Richard.

[maggie_4_7]

have sent a message to the corrector Maggie. Oddly, their name doesn't come up in my ancestry hints for Richard.

Well I am thinking why did they correct it and who are they and are they connected to Richard and they may have some more info for you.

But at least why have they corrected it and how do they know? It might be nothing but I don't expect someone to correct a name unless they know something!

[Rosie Knees]

I've had a reply. This was my question:

I see you have corrected an entry on the 1841 census in Pewsey. The person is listed and transcribed as Richard ASHON and you have corrected to Richard ASHTON.

I am unable to find my GG GF Richard Ashton (who was bc1822) on the 1841 and wonder if this could be him. He served for many years in the 54th foot, including in India.

Please could you tell me what is it that made you list the correction?

Thanks
Rose

and this is the reply:

My 3xgreat grandfather was David Ashton born c1773 in Wiltshire. From his navy records it shows that he was originately pressed into the navy. It just gives his place of birth as Wiltshire. He died 1846 in Hampton, Middlesex so I was unable to find his town of birth on the 1851 census.

I was searching for any other Ashton's about the same age born in Wiltshire. That is how I came across Richard and his father and did the alteration to match other records.

Regards

Guess I need to ask "what other records?" lol

[maggie_4_7]

Yes you do.

People are so weird I get those vague replies or even first contact messages they never explain anything in their messages that make any sense. :rolleyes:

I assume they're confident 'other records' are correct :)

'Richard and HIS father'!

On that census it has a lady called Sarah which I assume is this Richard's mother or at least a female relative!

Anyway good luck could be a wild goose chase on the other hand the contact may have good info that they are not aware they have :rolleyes:

[Rosie Knees]

my correspondent also made this correction which I suppose she could be referring to. Richard, parents and about a dozen other children lol.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/browse/view.aspx?dbid=8978&iid=WILHO107_1180_1181-0247&pid=14687468&ssrc=&fn=Richd&ln=Ashon&st=g

I notice she doesn't say 'MY other records'. I shall ask.

[maggie_4_7]

ooops I referred to your contact as HE don't know why I thought it was a man! I'll correct my post.

Well that name is clearly Ashon as well perhaps the enumerator for that area had an aversion to 'Ts' :d or the name is spelt correctly and it is your lot and the name acquired a T some time down the line or its a totally different family!

Hope you get some clear info from the contact :)

[Rosie Knees]

not to worry maggie lol.

Off to watch larksrise now but my contact maybe correct in her correction as ther is this on BMD

Births Jun 1839 (>99%)
Ashton Abraham Pewsey 8 400 Scan available - click to view

[Rosie Knees]

contact responded quickly initially but nothing for 2 days since I asked if she had certs or parish register info. Still waiting.

[Rosie Knees]

Here's the N Ireland GRO link:
http://www.groni.gov.uk/

and the Republic of Ireland one:
http://www.groireland.ie/

I ordered the certificate and it arrived today. Inconclusive I'm aftraid as he died in Belfast hospital and the doctor was the informant. His occupation was down as labourer - not a million miles from shepheard. No mention of an army number or formerly soldier. The only thing that fits is name and age. That's probably the end of the line for Richard.