How?

[Phoenix]

The IGI has birth, baptism & DEATH for one of my Riley babies.

MARTHA ANN RILEY
Birth: 22 AUG 1852
Christening: 21 AUG 1853 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England
Death: 02 NOV 1854

Parents:
Father: JAMES RILEY
Mother: ELIZA

She was baptised on the same date as my great granny. The register gave the dates of birth and where they were living at the time.

St Marys was a massive parish, with a register (roughly) per year. I could have sworn that the death wasn't in the margin. Indeed, why should it be?

So how has it got on the IGI?

[Lynn the Forest Fan]

Is it a submitted entry?

[Phoenix]

No, it's extracted, has been there for decades - did the research on this prob early 80s, using the IGI as a basis for checking the originals.

[kiterunner]

It's an extracted entry, Lynn. It could just be that the indexer for that parish decided to go through the burial register looking for infant deaths and connecting them to the baptisms, I suppose.

[Phoenix]

they'd have to be verging on the insane to do that, Kite. There are some 400 entries per year. And it SAYS death, not burial.

It looks as if someone has managed to attach extra info to the original entry. I always thought that it had to be a separate submission, even if it did relate to the same person.

[kiterunner]

Well, searching that batch for deaths, there are 859 of them.

[Lynn the Forest Fan]

I have found quite a few baptisms that have deaths entered as well, i can't remember off hand if these were extracted or not.

An example is James Barley bp 19/2/1787 whitton Lincs died 13/1/1789

[Phoenix]

It gets more curious.

Testing those deaths at random, each one has parents' names by them. They all seem to be the deaths of children or infants.

I assume "death" actually means "burial"

Some entries give approximate date of baptism.

I need to see the original registers!!!

[kiterunner]

So it does look as though the indexer went through the burial register looking for infants' deaths to add to the baptisms, doesn't it?

[Phoenix]

It's an incredible labour of love - but it makes the info really suspect if a matching job has been done. I can't sort all the baptisms into convincing familes as there were so many couples with identical names. If they have worked backwards and matched burials - where no parents names are given - to baptisms, they must have made the odd mistake along the way.

[kiterunner]

The actual register probably gives the family's address on both baptisms and burials, but yes, I expect there are errors.

[scuda]

I've come across a couple like that on extracted records, and later seen the burial registers. The burial entry was along the lines of 'William, son of William and Mary Smith': presumably this is how they connected it to the baptism.

scuda

[Phoenix]

Scuda, I could understand that (and Norfolk burial registers often also have the sums to work out how old someone was when buried) but at this period - 1840s & 1850s - you don't get parents names in the registers as a rule, as they are using the Rose registers.

I can see why the Mormons might do this - eliminating possible ancestors - and it probably is right in several cases, but not necessarily so.

[scuda]

at this period - 1840s & 1850s - you don't get parents names in the registers as a rule

Yes, you're right, it hadn't occurred to me. The ones I'm thinking of are nearer 1800.

scuda

[Kit]

I thought the Mormans weren't particularly interested in deaths?

[Phoenix]

The Mormons are interested in their ancestors. People who died as infants could not be parents themselves, so would not be anyone's ancestors. Marking them off like that would mean you wouldn't accidentally follow the wrong line.

[Olde Crone]

I do have PRs, admittedly earlier than this, which note deaths against baptisms, usually of the under fives but occasionally older.

This APPEARS to be something to do with BTs, although not always. I have wondered if it was just maybe a super efficient parish clerk at the time?

Interestingly, from the IGI point of view, both parish register and bishop's transcripts are transcribed for one particular parish. The parish register transcription does not show corresponding burials, the BT transcription does....

OC

[Oakum Picker]

I have recently been going through the Burial Register of Hitchin Herts 1813 -1849 & at a guess I'd say 90% of the child burials have parents names recorded & wives have husbands.