What load Bunn (not)

[borobabs]

Can anyone find this family on 1891 for me please;;???


Jack Bunn 40
Lauria Bunn 31
John W Bunn 9
Lizzie Bunn 7
Florrie Bunn 4


1901 source
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4586; Folio: 16; Page: 23.

Jack is John really for what I can find in births at South Bank Middlesbrough,
can not get them any further back than 1901 at all

[kiterunner]

Do you know Lauria's maiden name, Babs, and do you know when they got married?

[Margaret in Burton]

They married in 1888 in Middlesbrough so should be together in 1891.

Marriage:

John Bunn and Laura Wheeler
Dec 1888
9d 1074

[Margaret in Burton]

I can't find them together or separate.
Looked on FMP as well.

[kiterunner]

This looks like them in 1891 and the occupation matches 1901:

124 North St., Normanby
John Bunn Head M 33 Blast Furnace labourer Norfolk
Laura Do Wife M 31 Suffolk Glamsford

Think she might mean Glemsford. Hmm, so she didn't age at all over the next 10 years!

[kiterunner]

On the 1911 census John says he was born in Norfolk and Laura says she was born in Suffolk (for anyone who hasn't looked up the 1901, they both said they were born in "Yorks, South Bank" on that one!)

I've only done the free search on 1911 and not managed to work out what towns or villages (if any) they say they're born in but if you look at the transcription or image it should tell you.
Middlesbrough: John Bunn 50, Laura Bunn 42, Jno Bunn 19 and Florrie Bunn 15.

[Margaret in Burton]

I saw that one but it completely threw me because of the places of birth being so different to 1901.

[Margaret in Burton]

Babs

I'll send the 1911 image to you in case you don't have it.

John born Norfolk (place not known)
Laura born Glemsford, Suffolk

[kiterunner]

There is a Laura Wheeler born Sudbury on the earlier censuses who is quite likely (Glemsford is just a few miles from Sudbury), but you would need to get the marriage certificate to check what it says for her father's name to see if it's the right person.

[borobabs]

Sorry had company and grandie came from school and stayed now sleeping so havnt been back on ;;;
WSow you 2 have been busy why I have been missing and yes Laura Wheeler and right marriage ;;but you have shocked me with places of birth ???

[Margaret in Burton]

Is this John in 1881?

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7572&iid=WRYRG11_4687_4691-0041&fn=John&ln=Bunn&st=d&ssrc=&pid=25795707

and in 1871?

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=NFKRG10_1850_1853-0647&fn=John&ln=Bunn&st=d&ssrc=&pid=8412284

[Margaret in Burton]

Looks like he was born in Briningham.

Walsingham is the reg dis for there so here is his birth

Mar qtr 1861
4b 295

[Margaret in Burton]

1861

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=NFKRG9_1246_1249-0317&fn=John&ln=Bunn&st=d&ssrc=&pid=15903504

[borobabs]

Margaret your Guess is as good as mine but in the 1891 there is william bunn born 1862 and there william was1868 but thats nothing new is it ;;;

[Margaret in Burton]

Do you have the marriage cert Babs? If so, what is his father's name?

[borobabs]

I havnt have left message elsewhere about it Marg , only found out name of this person a few months ago as Lucy wont talk about family gone by

[Margaret in Burton]

You would need John and Lucy's marriage cert to be sure but if John is that one then his father was Miles.

[borobabs]

Yes will have to order that and see but thats if thats my John as well really need his BC 1st dont I to check mother ???
ah penny dropped you ,mean the Laura and John cert ;;;oh dear god help me brains gone Im sure ;;

[Margaret in Burton]

Yes, get the marriage cert of John and Laura. If his father is Miles then those census I gave you are the right ones. That birth reg is the only one that fits with that too.

I think I have Laura in 1871. The transcription says Larrie but it looks like Laura to me. Father is William

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=SFKRG10_1719_1721-0070&fn=Larrie&ln=Wheeler&st=d&ssrc=&pid=27667722

[Margaret in Burton]

Possible birth reg for Laura. I think Kate found it earlier.

Mar qtr 1870
Sudbury
4a 491

Can't see her in 1881 though

[borobabs]

Hmm hard to make oput bad writing but if you follow the lines yes looks like Laura dosnt it ;;father William ;;

[borobabs]

Wow did you watch 5 days tonight mrs or what as you have been mega busy with Kate thanks both of you this is secret family to me ;;

[Margaret in Burton]

Babs I already posted on the 5 days thread. :D

Yes I watched it and the computer was in the other room.

[Margaret in Burton]

Let us know when you get that marriage cert Babs. You do need it to be sure.

[Margaret in Burton]

Hmm hard to make oput bad writing but if you follow the lines yes looks like Laura dosnt it ;;father William ;;

Mother Lavena

What a name, hope they didn't call her Lav for short. :d:d

[borobabs]

Pmsl will order that cert tonight to make sure I do get it , as havnt bought any certs for this side of family as lot of it I have from facts of her from over the years lol

[borobabs]

Got the cert married 24 Dec 1888 middlesbrough register office Johns father John deceased general labourer John aged 27 on cert so born 1861 ;;;Laura's father William Gen Labourer Laura aged 21 so b 1867 ;;
Witnesses William Grange and H Jane Elgery

[kiterunner]

So Laura's father's name matches the census entry that Marg found yesterday but that William was a mat weaver in 1871. Maybe we can find out if he is a general labourer on any other censuses.

[Phoenix]

What about this lad?

RG10 piece 4855 folio 42 page 37

I'm off to check later censuses. I know his dad cannot be John, but he may have been brought up by an uncle?

[kiterunner]

Aha! William Wheeler born Stanstead, Suffolk, is living in Normanby in 1891!
at 124 North St, a street name I seem to remember coming across yesterday. So he must be Laura's father, just changed occupations a lot, and look at his occupation on here:
William Wheeler Head Mar 45 Blast Furnace Furnace Man Suffolk Stanstad
Selina do Wife M 45 Do Glemsford
Thomas Do Son 16 Steel works labourer do Chelsworth
Mary do Daur 11 Yorks Nth Ormesby

[Phoenix]

Ooh, look at this: RG09 piece 1232 folio 24 page 12

Father IS John and a Chelsea Pensioner, to boot!

[kiterunner]

So this is the family Phoenix found in 1871, transcribed as Burne on ancestry but it looks like Bunn (scrawled) on the image
15 Claundon(?) St., Normanby
Eliza Bunn Head W 30 Norfolk Dickleburgh
John Bunn Son 11 Scholar Do
William Do Son 9 Do Do
Albert W Do Son 7 Do Do
Thomas Do Son 3 Yorks Sth Bank
James do Son 1 Do
John Do Brother-in-Law Unm 23 Labourer at Iron Works Norfolk Norwich
David Do Bro-in-Law Unm 18 Do Do Do Dickleburgh

[kiterunner]

And the (same) family Phoenix found in 1861:
Street, Dickleburgh, Norfolk
John Bunn Head Mar 46 Chelsea Pensioner Gloucestershire Lodney(?)
Eliza Do Wife Mar 21 Norfolk Dickleburgh
John Do Son 11 mo Do Do

[kiterunner]

And in 1881 John's surname is written as Cunn:

21 Milbank(??) Street, Sth Bank, Normanby in Middlesbrough
Robert Drane and family
John Cunn Boarder Unm 21 Labourer at Iron Works Norfolk Dickleburgh
William Do Do Unm 19 Do Do Do Do

[Margaret in Burton]

Oh I'm pleased you got the cert Babs. That John I found yesterday had father Miles so not the right one.

[borobabs]

Oh Kate that needs further looking at , sorry get loads company on friday only come on to shut down ;;

[borobabs]

Here is my John on 1881 and note who is iving at address 1 of the witnesses from W/C

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4859; Folio: 45; Page: 25; GSU roll: 1342170.

Wonder who the other Bunns are though ???

[Margaret in Burton]

Here is my John on 1881 and note who is iving at address 1 of the witnesses from W/C

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4859; Folio: 45; Page: 25; GSU roll: 1342170.

Wonder who the other Bunns are though ???

It says son in law for the other 2 Bunn's.

Probably means step son.

[borobabs]

Eh at 13 and 17 ???

[borobabs]

Rich does iot say unmarried or widowed for John ;;;should have went to specsavers lol

[Margaret in Burton]

Elizabeth was born in Dicklebran same as your John. Possibly his sister?

Those other Bunn's were perhaps hers before she married James and are his step son's. They did seem to call them son in law in those days.

Am looking for the marriage between James and Elizabeth at the moment.

[Margaret in Burton]

It says unmarried for John

[borobabs]

so wonder how the can say son in law for others ;;dam have to go do friends hair will be straight back ;;

[Margaret in Burton]

Ah!

It's the same family that Kate found in 1871. Elizabeth is Eliza in 1871 and she's John's mother. Must have remarried. Haven't found the marriage.
Albert and Thomas are John's brothers. Must list them as son in law (step son) because they are under 21.

[Margaret in Burton]

John senior's death

June qtr 1870
Guisborough
9d 309
aged 52

[Margaret in Burton]

I can't find a marriage for James and Eliza / Elizabeth after 1871

[borobabs]

Ahh right Cheers Marg and I deleted all that lot from tree lol
will have to re go through thread and but them all back now ;;thanks for the help babe

[borobabs]

Ooh, look at this: RG09 piece 1232 folio 24 page 12

Father IS John and a Chelsea Pensioner, to boot!

Sorry to nudge this again but was trying to find out if this one is mine or not the Chelsea pensioner ;;;wanted to find his records if he is , but I cannot see him>?????
Phoenix help please :confused:

[Uncle John]

Just to say I also have a Bunn family, but they seem to have stayed around Lambeth, Surrey and not moved far.

[Breckland Jane]

Hello Babs,

I've just come across this thread and although I haven't read it all thoroughly yet, I just wanted to let you know that Laura Wheeler is one of my lot. Laura's father William was my 2xg grandmother Eliza's brother. Please let me know if I can be of any help with the Wheeler family.

Jane

[borobabs]

Well what small world this is thanks UJ and Jane , this is a relation of my sons family Laura Wheeler is my son's G G Grandmother and I have just started on this line of research for my grandchildren one who is also called Laura and is fascinated by all of this, more so the link of the names considering it wasnt a known family name then ;;

[borobabs]

Jane is that Ann Elizabeth b 1826 ???

[Breckland Jane]

Sorry, do you mean was Ann Elizabeth my 2x great grandmother?

If so, no - she was Eliza born 1838. He sister was Ann Elizabeth born 1836.

Jane

[borobabs]

Oj Jane I havnt got Eliza down on tree ???wonder why not have Charles covered on all census except 1901 ??

[Breckland Jane]

Email sent Babs.

Jane

[borobabs]

Still waiting for it will reply Jane thanks

[borobabs]

And in 1881 John's surname is written as Cunn:

21 Milbank(??) Street, Sth Bank, Normanby in Middlesbrough
Robert Drane and family
John Cunn Boarder Unm 21 Labourer at Iron Works Norfolk Dickleburgh
William Do Do Unm 19 Do Do Do Do

Sorry to nudge this thread but working on this side of family the Bunns I cannot find this 1881 census Kate can you post a click onlink for it ;;
and does anyone know the age of the 1st John Bunn the chelsea pensioner one on 1861 ???

[kiterunner]

Um, I don't really know how to post links to census images on ancestry! Just go onto the 1881 England census and search for John Cunn and he is the only one that comes up. Or if you have exact matches turned off, he will be at the top of the list.

[Margaret in Burton]

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7572&iid=NRYRG11_4857_4861-0511&fn=John&ln=Cunn&st=d&ssrc=&pid=26524752

[borobabs]

Well I have a John William Cunn Rack aged 4 come up lol ;;you just go to the main page of it not image and c/p the stuff thats in the address search box on the top lol

[kiterunner]

Thanks, Marg.

The John Bunn who is a Chelsea Pensioner is age 46 on the 1861 census, according to one of my posts on this thread.

[Margaret in Burton]

You just get the page up Kate and then copy the address in the address bar at the top.

[Margaret in Burton]

Babs

Post 59

[borobabs]

Thanks Marg dam and thats not the one Im looking for , in the 1861 census he is living with Eliza and they have son John , yet when Eliza appears in later census ie 1871 as Burne

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&indiv=try&h=28689273

she has all these other kids but no hubby John with her , so Im on the hunt for him

[kiterunner]

I'll read this thread from the beginning later and have another go at it, Babs, I can't really remember much about it!

[borobabs]

Cheers Kate dont suppose he is going anywhere ;lol

[kiterunner]

Okay, yes, that "John Cunn" in 1881 is your John junior, the son of the Chelsea Pensioner.

There is a John Bunn with Elizabeth and her second husband and Albert and Thomas Bunn on the 1881 census, age 28, unmarried labourer at iron works, born Norfolk Dickleburgh. I think he must be the same John Bunn who is with Eliza(beth) in 1871 as her brother-in-law although he is 23 on that census and born Norwich. Anyway, that John isn't your one.

But John senior, the Chelsea Pensioner died in 1870, didn't he? Or at least we think he did but I don't know if you ever got the death certificate? The details are in post #45 on this thread.

[kiterunner]

I'm off to bed, but I think I found John and Eliza(beth)'s marriage on the pilot site:
John Bunn 41 married Elizabeth Martin 18, 20 Dec 1857 Dickleburgh, Norfolk, his father David Bunn, hers Charles Martin.

[borobabs]

Oh right no must have misased that Kate will have to send for it but wondering where he was in 1871 as she is up here with all those other kids ;;there was a death in middlesbrough but Im sure the age fitted in with young one not the elder one ;;

[borobabs]

Oh Brilliant Kate saw that marriage but wrote it off for some reason ;;

Edit no I didnt have her saved as Fish/Martin lol

[kiterunner]

but wondering where he was in 1871 as she is up here with all those other kids

If he died in 1870 then he wouldn't be around in 1871, Babs.

[kiterunner]

This is Eliza in 1851:
Street, Dickleburgh, Norfolk
Charles Martin Head Mar 45 Ag Lab Norfolk Dickleburgh
Mary do Wife Mar 44 Suffolk Stradbrooke
Mary Ann do Daur U 16 Field work Norfolk Dickleburgh
Sophia Do Daur 12 Scholar Do Do
Eliza Do Daur 9 Scholar do Do
Ellen Do Daur 6 Scholar Do Do
Ann Do Daur 5 Do Do

[kiterunner]

Ah, looks like Charles and Mary had lots of children christened 2nd Jan 1853, including Eliza (on the pilot site).

[kiterunner]

And see who is next door to John Bunn Chelsea Pensioner and Eliza in 1861!!!

Street, Dickleburgh, Norfolk
Charles Martin Head Mar 58 Farm lab Norfolk Dickleburgh
Mary do Wife Mar 50 Do Do
Strange Do Son 5 Scholar do Do

[borobabs]

Found him last night Kate with his wife Mary but some family trees have him married twice , also found in 1841 there is only 1 David bunn coming up of the right time bracket the other being after John was born so have him wife Elizabeth and two other sons ;;thanks for help dear ;;

[kiterunner]

I still want to find out how the "other" John Bunn came to be Eliza's "brother-in-law"! I had a theory last night that Eliza's mother married a Bunn after Charles's death, but that is obviously wrong since Charles is still alive in 1871. I'll let you know if I come up with anything there.

[kiterunner]

Found him last night Kate with his wife Mary but some family trees have him married twice , also found in 1841 there is only 1 David bunn coming up of the right time bracket the other being after John was born so have him wife Elizabeth and two other sons ;;thanks for help dear ;;

No reason to think that's the right David Bunn yet, is there? John Bunn says on the 1861 census he was born in Gloucestershire!

[borobabs]

Cheers dear , oh never thought of that will have to nosy into the bun family further back to bring it forward ;; lol if you understand that ;;

[borobabs]

No reason to think that's the right David Bunn yet, is there? John Bunn says on the 1861 census he was born in Gloucestershire!

Oh dam Kate so much for my gusto ;;;slap self for being to eager

[kiterunner]

Though there is a John Bunn born 1816 Norwich in the Chelsea Pensioner records on findmypast who might be worth looking at. I haven't got a sub on there so I can't view it. And there are some John Bunns with ? for their birthplaces.

[borobabs]

Oh I have Kate will go look at them now forgot about that ;;
this was David I found ;;

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1841&h=8484291&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t21165211_p1208076767_kpidz0q3d1208076767z 0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid

[borobabs]

the one 1816 is our John;;

First name(s): John

Last name: BUNN

Calculated year of birth: 1816

Parish of birth: Dickburgh

Town of birth: Norwich

County of birth: Norfolk

Age at attestation: 20 years 8 months

Attestation date: 16 March 1836

Attestation corps:

Attestation soldier number:

Discharge rank: Private

Discharge corps: 77th Foot

Discharge soldier number: 855

The National Archives reference: WO97 / 1616 / 64

[kiterunner]

Oh, that's good, Babs. I wonder why he said he was born in Gloucestershire on the census! Just to confuse us!

[borobabs]

Pass just trying to get all 8 pages onto comp to read them ;;taking ages ;;sick of carry on lately with these images on there and ancestry ;;;yet I am suppose to have all up to date veiwers ;;

[kiterunner]

Hmmm, there is a baptism at Dickleburgh 22 Nov 1818 of Joseph Bun, son of David and Anne, abode Dickleburgh, labourer. But no baptism there for John. But I would think Joseph is likely to be his brother.

There is a John Bunn baptism listed on the pilot site 14 Sep 1812 with parents David Bunn and Anne Chapman at Caurston, which I would have thought was supposed to be Cawston, but I can't find it in the PR images for Cawston. FreeREG lists it for Cley-next-the-Sea, and yes, it's there, date of birth 8 Sep 1812. Although it is a few years earlier than your John is supposed to have been born.

The David Bunn / Anne Chapman marriage is 16 Mar 1812 at Cley-next-the-Sea, David Bunn single man of the parish of Langham, Anne Chapman single woman of the parish of Cley-next-the-Sea.

[borobabs]

This is it isnt it Kate with Parish stuff so there is no way of knowing and proving who the real father is, is there ;;;

Opss edit there is no clues on the images from FMP either apart for his height hair colour etc ;;

[kiterunner]

We might come up with something yet, Babs.

[kiterunner]

For instance, if only we could figure out how those brothers-in-law fitted in (the ones on the 1871 census), they might lead us to the right David Bunn.

[borobabs]

The only clue I have is the 2 brothers that where on the 1841 census with David and Elizabeth ;;

David Bunn
Age: 55
birth year: abt 1786
Male
Where born: Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Little Snoring
Hundred: Gallow
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England



Registration dist Walsingham
Sub-reg district: Fakenham

David Bunn 55
Elizabeth Bunn 55
James Bunn 25
Robert Bunn 15

Sorry have to pop out for while now ;

[Phoenix]

Not up to date on this thread, but.... Norfolk is notoriously poorly covered by the Mormons. Dickleburgh, Cley, Cawston, Great Snoring etc are scattered all over a county with over 700 parishes. I would look at NROCAT and the probate database (NOAH?) to see if there are any clues there.

[kiterunner]

I looked on Noah earlier for David Bun(n) but I didn't find anything.