Mary Ann Schofield (FMMM)

[Mary from Italy]

Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Mary Ann Schofield

Date and place of birth
About 1834, Manchester, Lancashire

Names of parents
Father: John Schofield, spinner
Mother: Jane (unknown)

Date and place of baptism - if applicable
(possibly) 20th July 1834, Manchester Cathedral, Lancashire

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
Married to William Grimshaw on 25th December 1852 at Manchester Cathedral, Lancashire

Occupation(s) - if any
1851: servant
1861: none

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on.
1834: Fleet St., Manchester
1841: Fleet St., Manchester
1851: 11 Myrtle St., Hulme, Manchester
1852: 2 Syer's Court, Bootle Street, Manchester
1861: 13 Seddons Court, Hulme, Manchester
1865: 11 Warwick St., Bradford,Yorkshire

Date, place and cause of death
Died on 3rd April 1865 at 11 Warwick St., Bradford, Yorkshire.
Cause of death: phthisis, 6 weeks.

Date and place of burial / cremation.
Not known

Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
None known

Memorial inscription - if any
None known

[ElizabethHerts]

Mary, is her father definitely John? (from marriage certificate?)

[ElizabethHerts]

There is this family on the 1841 census in Manchester, but it looks as though the adults are the grandparents:

John SCHOFIELD M 65 1776 Lancashire
Ann F 55 1786 Lancashire
Charlotte F 25 1816 Lancashire
Alice F 15 1826 Lancashire
Mary Ann F 7 1834 Lancashire
Sarah F 5 1836 Lancashire
Eliza F 4 1837 Lancashire

RG number: HO107 Piece: 572 Book/Folio: 12/23 Page: 40

They live at China Lane.

[Mary from Italy]

Yes, it's John Schofield, spinner on the marriage cert.

I'm not 100% sure that I have the right baptism, but the details fit. Someone from FTF kindly looked it up for me in the PRs; the address given is Fleet St., Manchester, and the father's occupation is spinner. However, Schofield is a very common name in Lancs, and spinner is a pretty common occupation.

It looks as though John died before 1851. These are the censuses I have:

1851: Jane (widow) and Mary Ann are living in Myrtle St., Hulme. Jane's a charwoman and Mary Ann's a servant.
HO107; Piece: 2221; Folio: 923; Page: 15

1861: Mary Ann is now married to William Grimshaw, and they're living in Hulme with their 5 children, Mary Ann's mother Jane Schofield, and a mysterious uncle, John Hindle. I was hoping he'd turn out to be Jane's brother, but I can't find a Jane Hindle/John Schofield marriage. Hindle and Grimshaw are also very common Lancs names; he may have married one of William's father's sisters, but I haven't found a marriage so far.
Class: RG9; Piece: 2896; Folio: 84; Page: 43

1871: Mary Ann had died; William had remarried:
Class: RG10; Piece: 4459; Folio: 26; Page: 3
and I think this may be Jane, although the family she's visiting doesn't ring any bells:
Class: RG10; Piece: 3991; Folio: 62; Page: 51

I haven't found a death for Jane; there are just too many Jane Schofields in Lancs.

[ElizabethHerts]

I've just found this one on the 1841 census which looks more promising:

John Schofield M 50 1791 Lancashire
Jane F 40 1801 Lancashire
Ann F 20 1821 Lancashire
Martha F 10 1831 Lancashire
Mary F 7 1834 Lancashire
John Holt M 30 1811 Lancashire
Margt Holt F 30 1811 Lancashire
Mary Handford F 70 1771 Lancashire
Elizabeth Handford F 40 1801 Lancashire

RG number: HO107 Piece: 570 Book/Folio: 15/10 Page: 15

LOOK WHERE THEY LIVE:


Civil Parish: Manchester Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: Fleet Street, Manchester

[Mary from Italy]

Ooh! I missed that one! Off to look...

[ElizabethHerts]

I'm not sure about this, but it's worth a look:

John Schofield married Jane Clayton
Manchester Cathedral
3 Feb 1827
(IGI)

See 1841 census entry I gave in previous post:

Martha Clayton or Schofield
baptised 1 Jul 1825
Manchester Cathedral
Parents: John Schofield and Jane Clayton

[Mary from Italy]

Brilliant, I do believe you've cracked it - that John's a spinner, too.

I've been looking for these guys for years!

It took me ages to find, even with the reference you gave - Ancestry has them transcribed as Schafred. I'd tried a load of wildcard searches in the past, but evidently not the right one.

I hadn't found any siblings for Mary Ann, either, so the ones you've found may lead to more information

Thanks very much :) :)

[Mary from Italy]

Ah, that marriage looks good, too.

It was one of the many possibilities I'd found, but with not having the siblings' names, I had no idea if it was the right one.

I owe you one :)

[ElizabethHerts]

:)I'm using FMP.

I hope you have seen my next post!

[Mary from Italy]

This looks like Jane's baptism, then:

JANE CLAYTON
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 21 JUL 1799 Warrington, Lancashire, England

Parents:
Father: DAVID CLAYTON
Mother: MARY

[Mary from Italy]

I took out a 6-month sub to FMP a couple of weeks ago; so far I've been using it mainly for burials, death duty index and passenger lists, but I was intending to have another go at the Schofields when I had a minute.

The TOGG board is certainly turning out to be useful.

[ElizabethHerts]

I'm so pleased I could help, Mary. I've had so much help over the past few years, so it's great to find something. This post drew me because both I and my OH have ancestors in this area.

Now we need to find out what happened to the siblings of Mary (Ann) but I have my daughter and fiance arriving imminently so it might have to wait...:(

[Mary from Italy]

No problem, I have to go and eat too, but I'll start looking later.

[Mary from Italy]

The 1799 baptism I found for Jane is wrong, because I've found the baptism and that child's burial on the Lancs OPC site.

This seems to be the most likely baptism, and there's no matching burial:

Baptism: 29 Aug 1802 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Jane Clayton - Daur of Clayton Mary, Widow

[ElizabethHerts]

Possibly your John Hindle from the 1861 Census:

HINDLE, John Head Married M 53 1798 Shoemaker Leeds Yorkshire
HINDLE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 50 1801 Warrington Lancashire
HINDLE, James Son M 23 1828 J? Manchester Lancashire
HINDLE, Margaret Dau F 17 1834 Umbrella Maker Manchester Lancashire
HINDLE, John Son M 13 1838 Umbrella Maker Manchester Lancashire

Living at 8 Dawson Street Manchester
HO107 piece 2227 folio 0 page 0


Wife Elizabeth was born in Warrington

[Mary from Italy]

Ooh, that looks very good. You are on a roll today :)

[Mary from Italy]

That 1851 census piece isn't on Ancestry at all; it must be part of the "wet" part of the census, which was originally on FHOL, and now appears to be on FMP.

John Hindle gives his birthplace as Manchester in 1861, but as the 1851 wife was born in Warrington, it still seems like a good match.

I've been looking for baptisms for Mary Ann's siblings on Lancs OPC, but it doesn't cover the right period for Manchester. Can't see a likely baptism for an Ann Clayton or Schofield on the IGI, assuming she is the child of John and Jane.

[ElizabethHerts]

I wish I could also find a baptism for Elizabeth Clayton.

Using the parents' name facility, these are possible siblings for Jane (parents David and Mary):

David Clayton 21 JUN 1795 Warrington, Lancashire, England
Hannah Clayton 22 MAY 1801 Warrington, Lancashire, England
James Clayton 10 JUN 1821 Warrington, Lancashire, England

David Clayton married Mary Ormerod
03 JAN 1792 Warrington, Lancashire, England


Their son??
David Clayton married Mary Dakin
01 NOV 1818 Warrington, Lancashire, England

Thomas Daykin Clayton 07 DEC 1823 Warrington, Lancashire, England
George Clayton 28 JUN 1829 Warrington, Lancashire, England
David Clayton 05 FEB 1832 Warrington, Lancashire, England
Hannah Clayton 18 FEB 1827 Warrington, Lancashire, England
Ellen Clayton 27 APR 1834 Warrington, Lancashire, England

[ElizabethHerts]

Mary, look at this 1851 census!

It appears to be the younger David Clayton. But look who is with him!

HINDLEY, Mary Head Widow F 51 1800 Warrington Lancashire
CLAYTON, George Son Unmarried M 21 1830 Weaver Lancashire
CLAYTON, David Son Unmarried M 19 1832 Weaver Lancashire

She is WIDOW! He is SON! She remarried, it seems!!

Stamford Street Warrington
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2203 Folio: 564 Page: 27

[Mary from Italy]

Yes, I'd just found the marriage for David Clayton to Mary Ormerod, which looks good, and I was just looking at those Dakins and Claytons.

There's a promising baptism for Mary Ormerod in Warrington, but not for her husband David Clayton. Haven't found his burial on Lancs OPC, either.

There are numerous possible burials for John Schofield, unfortunately, and numerous possible marriages for Ann and Martha Schofield.

[Mary from Italy]

She is WIDOW! He is SON! She remarried, it seems!!


Ooh, I can't keep up with you today :)

Off to look..

[ElizabethHerts]

I'm rather confused now with the Hindles/Hindleys!

[Mary from Italy]

No Mary Clayton/Hindle(y) marriage on the IGI, but there's this possible on FreeBMD:

Marriages Dec 1846
Broughton Susan Warrington 20 827
Caldwell Richard Warrington 20 827
>> Clayton Mary Warrington 20 827
Gallamore William Warrington 20 827
Henshaw Mary Warrington 20 827
>> Hindley James Warrington 20 827
Horabin Elizabeth Warrington 20 827
Horavin Elizabeth Warrington 20 827
Tarbuck James Warrington 20 827

[ElizabethHerts]

I've just found it, Mary! I was about to post.

The Hindle on the census before was a widower (and minus the Y for HindleY)

I'm afraid I'm off for the time being, but I'll look in again later before going to bed and I'll check on this post again tomorrow. :)

[Mary from Italy]

Mary Clayton's in Warrington in 1841 with [children] Thomas and David, so a marriage between 1841 and 1851 is right.

[ElizabethHerts]

Before I go, there are three possible deaths for Mary Hindley in Warrington between 1851 and 1861!

[Mary from Italy]

I've just found it, Mary! I was about to post.

However, the Hindle on the census before was a widower (and minus the Y for HindleY)



Hindle/Hindley is a fairly common name, so there may not be a connection. The uncle was John Hindle, whereas the possible husband for Mary Clayton was James.

I wouldn't necessarily rule out a connection between the two families, but it may be hard to find.

[Mary from Italy]

Before I go, there are three possible deaths for Mary Hindley in Warrington between 1851 and 1861!


OK, I'll take a look at those.

Thanks very much for all your hard work this evening - I didn't think I was ever going to get any further back with this family!

I'll start writing everything out in some kind of logical order to see what I need to do next, but the most important thing I was looking for was Jane's parents, which you've definitely cracked :)

[Mary from Italy]

Possible death of James Hindley:

Deaths Jun 1849
Hindley James Warrington 20 832

[Mary from Italy]

I've now found the probable death of David Clayton on LancsOPC:

Burial: 22 Jan 1802 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
David Clayton -
Age: _1
Occupation: Weaver

They say the register is in very poor condition, and as it gives his occupation, the entry clearly doesn't relate to a child.

I've looked for a remarriage for Mary, but I can't see an obvious one in Warrington; there is a marriage in 1803 for a Mary Clayton, but it doesn't say she's a widow, so I assume it isn't her.

I've also found a fifth child for David and Mary Clayton there: James, baptised in 1792.

[Mary from Italy]

I managed to confirm the 1846 remarriage for Mary Clayton, because the Cheshire BMD site gives her maiden name:

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1846

Surname Forename(s) / Surname Forename(s) / Church/Register Office / Registers At / Reference

CLAYTON Mary / HINDLEY James / Warrington, St Elphin / Warrington / C25/3/185
DAKIN Mary / HINDLEY James / Warrington, St Elphin / Warrington / C25/3/185

[Mary from Italy]

The Lancs OPC site has excellent coverage for Warrington; I've found all the events that occurred there, except for those after 1837, which are on the Cheshire BMD site.

There's a possible baptism for David Clayton senior in Winwick, which is only 3 miles away from Warrington, and there are loads of Claytons there. Unfortunately the Lancs OPC records don't go back that far.

There are two possible baptisms for Mary Ormerod in Warrington; the first seems the most likely, because her mother was called Jane, but there's no way of being really sure.

I wonder if anyone has access to Poor Law records for the Warrington district? If the David Clayton born in Winwick is the right one, there should be a settlement order for him.

[ElizabethHerts]

Great progress, Mary. The OPC sites and FreeReg between them certainly provide a lot of useful information.

I hope you manage to get further back in due course. I'm rather busy today but will have a better look when I can.

[Mary from Italy]

No problem, you've gone above and beyond the call of duty already :)

I've been looking for a marriage for Martha Clayton/Schofield, but I can't find anything obvious.

There is a marriage to a James Worrall, but the only couple I can find on the censuses who might be them call themselves Hugh/Uriah and Martha/Maria, and they have no obvious connection to the Schofield/Clayton family.

No sign of a baptism for Ann Clayton/Schofield in Warrington. I suppose there's always the possiblity that Clayton wasn't Jane's maiden name but her first marriage name, which would complicate things...

I shall have to see if I can find someone to check out the marriage in Manchester to see if her marital status is given. Pity the Manc Cathedral records on the Lancs OPC aren't complete; it seems ages since they added anything.