Jonathan Ingleson bc1813

[JBee]

I am confused -

I was looking for the birth of Jonathan Ingleson and found a birth on 24 Jan 1813 in Hampstwaite, Yorkshire which said his mother was Grace Ingleson (no father). In 1841 census he said he was born in Yorkshire. On his 2nd marriage in 1848 he stated his father was Jonathan Ingleson but couldn't find with a father Jonathan Ingleson.

Grace Ingleson I think is the daughter of Joseph Ingleson and Sarah Hewick was born 23 Jun 1793 in Hampstwaite, Yorkshire, https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/112083:61518?ssrc=pt&tid=170704302&pid=362557181966
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 - Ancestry.co.uk

Yorkshire, England, Extracted Church of England Parish Records, 1538-1837 - Ancestry.co.uk

She married a John Hardisty on 23 Oct 1813 in Hampstwaite and I think had a daughter Ann Hardisty baptised on 20 Nov 1814 in Fewston, Yorkshire. An ancestry tree has Anne married to Joseph Reynard 1836

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/62237/images/62228_324054000599_1231-00243?pId=90918141
North Yorkshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 - Ancestry.co.uk

I cannot find a death for Grace Ingleson (unless she is the Grace Fawcett).

Have no details for this John Hardisty except for the marriage.

Joseph Ingleson 82 is living with Jonathan Ingleson and family in the 1841 census and I think he died in 1847 Pateley Bridge.
1841 England Census - Ancestry.co.uk
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This is where the confusion arises

On 19 Dec 1815 a Grace Fawcett marries a John Hardisty in Otley – ( 2 years after the first marriage)Is this the same Grace Ingleson or another Grace.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/14148699:9852?ssrc=pt&tid=41633618&pid=29583325950

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/15382053:2253?ssrc=pt&tid=28860873&pid=170071815946

This is that John Hardisty and Grace Fawcett and family

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/14844763:8978?ssrc=pt&tid=170704302&pid=362557181966


https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/13888926:8860?ssrc=pt&tid=170704302&pid=362557181966


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Jonathan Ingleson’s had 6 children with 1st wife Ellen Hullock.

Thomas and Ann are both born before 1837 but the youngest 4 are

John Hardisty Ingleson 1838
Carolina Hardisty Ingleson 1840
William Hardisty Ingleson 1842
Robert Hardisty Ingleson1844

So is John Hardisty Jonathan Ingleson’s father – Are the John Hardisty’s the same person or different and are the Grace’s the same person too.

[Phoenix]

Yorkshire is not my neck of the woods, but I would have said that these are two entirely different John Hardistys who coincidentally both marry women called Grace.

Grace Fawcett can be followed through in the records and if spinster meant single woman, then she was single at marriage.

As your Grace married nearly two years after she conceived Jonathan, I would have said his father's first name was Jonathan - but goodness knows what his surname was.

[JBee]

I was thinking that there's two different Grace's but there's a number of ancestry trees have them as the same person mother of Jonathan Ingleson.

I checked GRO and Grace Fawcett is the mother of the daughter Grace in the 1851 census with that John Hardisty.

So am wondering if Grace Ingleson died and that John Hardisty remarried or that there are two completely separate families.

If so I need to find their deaths but so far no luck.

[kiterunner]

A lot of Ancestry trees are wrong, so I would ignore those. John Hardisty is a fairly common name, so no reason why the John who married the second Grace should be the same person as the John who married the first Grace.

[Phoenix]

Burials of large numbers of Grace Hardisty nee Fawcett's family:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/12929:2268

[JBee]

Thanks Kate and Phoenix.

Just can't find the death of Grace Ingleson and haven't got enough details on John Hardisty to find birth or death or even census.

[Phoenix]

On my phone and no access to Ancestry.
Did Jonathan remain where he was born? Do Hardisty figure in any records relating to him? If he were John Hardisty's son he would have been brought up within the family. If not he might have been brought up by a grandparent.

[JBee]

When Jonathan first married in 1833 the Darlington parish records only had the bride and groom’s details. His second marriage in Leeds in1848 had Jonathan Ingleson as his father.

Various places of birth in census
In 1841 Jonathan was born in Yorkshire county living in Fewston, Yorkshire
In 1851 was born in Otley, Yorkshire - living in Great Marston, Lancashire
In 1861 was born in Bradford, Yorkshire - living in Bradford
In 1871 was born in Sunderland, Co Durham - living in Bradford
In 1881 was born in Fewston, Yorkshire - living in Bradford

Hardisty name appears in only the 3 to 6 children of first marriage

[Phoenix]

On the same page as Jonathan's first marriage, and with the same (probably serial) witnesses, is the marriage of a Grace Hardisty, widow, to William Harland.

A William Harland appears as a servant on farms in 1841 and 1851, born c 1788.

I can't find Grace's death or burial, but it could well be in Darlington, before the start of civil registration.

[JBee]

Thanks Phoenix will look into the Harland marriage.

There's a death for William Harland in 1851 in Darlington which I will have a look at too.

[JBee]

Found a death for a Grace Harling in Bradford in 1870 - widow of William Harling - a farm servant so I think that's our Grace Ingleson.

[Phoenix]

That definitely looks like her.

Here she is in 1861:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/10210646:8767


she's with her widowed daughter Jane Sandholm.


And here she is in 1841:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1841%2F1294%2F0187&parentid=GBC%2F1841%2F0009646554


with William and her children Ann Sarah John Robert and Jane Hardisty

[Phoenix]

Sarah, John, Robert and Jane were all baptised in Knaresborough. In the later baptisms, place of birth is Starbeck, now a suburb of Harrogate. Father John is a bleacher - which suggests that he isn't the father of Jonathan, who gave his father's occupation as farmer.

[Phoenix]

FYI Ann married Thomas Margerson in Shipley in 1842:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2253/images/33069_256662-00211?treeid=&personid=&queryId=0dd13946-88bc-4751-9a26-5f6578d51479&usePUB=true&_phsrc=nUX14537&_phstart=successSource&pId=22018397

[JBee]

Thank you so much Phoenix.

Where was she in 1841 as I don't have sub for findmypast it finished a week or so ago.

Have got ancestry sub.

[Phoenix]

In Bradford West End, down as Herling:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/12337113:8978?tid=&pid=&queryId=b5b37bb0-f6f0-411e-a60f-c68f50e717fc&_phsrc=nUX14541&_phstart=successSource

[JBee]

Thanks Phoenix would never have found it

[JBee]

Have been trying to find William, Grace and son William born 1838 Bradford - under names Harland Herling, Harling in 1851but no luck.

William senior dies before 1861 census.

Phoenix you said he was a farm worker in 1851

Think I've found it transcribed as Carlon in Bowling, Bradford.

[Phoenix]

Ooh, well done, Julie! I couldn't find Grace anywhere, but Knaresborough makes sense as a birthplace, and the transcribers have ignored that first stroke of the H.

Not sure whether William was Grace's son or whether he might have been a grandchild of William's. Probably born before civil registration.

[JBee]

Without your help I would have got nowhere Phoenix.

Have found William's death in 1859 n Bradford - though age is way out 55 in 1841, 71 in 1851 and 80 in 1859 so still haven't found his birth and parents.

Also found William Junior's death aged 4 in 1842 i Bradford.

Yes William was William and Grace's son.