Emily Johnson

[Crafty Sue]

Please may I have some help with my gt grandmother? This what I know so far, can anyone help with finding her death or on 1921 census?

Born 13 Dec 1855 in Brighton, Sussex (I have birth cert)
1861 & 1871: census she is with her parents in Reigate
5th April 1884: married William Henry Pannell in Reigate by licence (I have cert)
1891 census: Emily & William are in Reigate, Surrey
23 Feb 1901: William Pannell dies
1901 census: Emily is a widow still in Reigate
1911 census: Emily is a widow living in Bath, Somerset
04 Sep 1915: Emily married William Tillett Thomas by licence.(I have cert)

I have not found her death or on the 1921 census.

Many thanks for reading & any help offered!

[Merry]

What should the birth year say?!

[Crafty Sue]

oops, sorry! its 13 Dec 1855.

[Katarzyna]

Could this be her?

1921 census
Emily Tuthill Batten Head Female 1880 40 Bath, Somerset, England Home Duties -
Kenneth George Batten Son Male 1913 8 Bath, Somerset, England - -
Emily Thomas Mother-in-law widow Female 1855 65 Bath, Somerset, England Home Duties

40, Belvybear??, Bath, Somerset, England

I see she was living 40 Belvedere Lansdown Road Bath, Bath, Somerset, England in 1911

Edit. No, can't be right. Emily wasn't a Thomas in 1911 until she married in 1915. Sorry!

[kiterunner]

There is an Emily Thomas death in Bath in 1935, age 80, but she is probably the one who Kat found on the 1921 census.

How old is William on the marriage cert, and what other details are given for him? I can't find any trace of a William Tillett Thomas apart from the marriage.

[Katarzyna]

Could be death?
THOMAS, EMILY 80
GRO Reference: 1935 J Quarter in BATH Volume 05C Page 603

[Crafty Sue]

Sorry, should have mentioned that I'd previously ordered this death cert, which is not correct:
Name: Emily Thomas
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: abt 1855
Registration Date: Jun 1935
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 603

the details on her marriage to William Pannell:
William: aged 29, father Joseph Pannell dec'd
Emily: aged 28, father Henry Johnson dec'd
Witnesses were John Bromley & Rose Johnson.

details for her marriage to William Tillett Thomas:
William: aged 73 widower, no father name given
Emily: aged 60 widow, father Henry Johnson dec'd
witnesses were Thomas Fellows & Alicia Jane Pannell (daughter, my grandmother).


My mother (who didn't like to share any information) did say that she thought Emily died when my mother was about 5 or 6 years old. That would put a date range 1927/1928. My mother thought she remembered her mother (Alicia) rushing off somewhere to be near Emily. Unfortunately, that's not been very helpful in my search!

[Merry]

You haven't said what you know about her last husband. Do you know when and where he was born? If not, I presume his father's details are on the 1915 cert you have? Was he a widower at the marriage?

[Crafty Sue]

for reference, this is Emily on the 1911 census

1911:Bath, Somerset, England - 9 Westgate Buildings
RG14; Piece: 14705; Schedule Number: 30
Emily Pannell 57
Mary Elizabeth Pannell 18 - daughter
Ivy Lillian Pannell 9 - grand daughter

8 children, 7 living, 1 died

[Crafty Sue]

Merry, unfortunately there is no father shown on the William Tillett Thomas marriage cert

[Merry]

Sorry, I took a long time to post that! lol

Did Wm have an occupation?

[Merry]

That's odd. I checked no new posts before I typed my last one, and yet you have posted again and it's a few minutes before mine..... curious!

[Crafty Sue]

I've just noticed something quite strange with the dates, now looking much more closely at the certificates. It's quite complicated as it seems Emily told a lot of fibs! I'll try and explain:

My grandmother, Alicia Jane Pannell (Emily's daughter) had an illegitimate child Ivy Lilian 8th Dec 1901.
Ivy is on the 1911 census living with Emily
Ivy died on 1 July 1918 aged 16 in Bath. Emily registered Ivy's death as Ivy's mother & Emily used the name Emily Pannell. But Emily had married William Tillett Thomas before this in 1915

[Crafty Sue]

Merry: William Tillett Thomas was a coal miner at time of marriage

[kiterunner]

What is William's address on the marriage cert?

[Crafty Sue]

KiteRunner:
They were both at 83 Holloway, Bath

[Merry]

Emily's dau Edith Pannell b 1896 was living at Rushall Wilts (Pewsey district) in 1921 along with her married sister in the same household. There is also this Emily, also in Pewsey district:

Emily
Thomas
1856
Brighton, Sussex, England
Manningford Bruce
Pewsey
Wiltshire

Manningford Bruce is 2 miles from Rushall. This Emily is married but is a servant in a household so not with her husband.

[Crafty Sue]

Yes Merry, Rushall, Wiltshire is where my mother was born & where Alicia lived after her marriage to Robert Gilbert Davis ( my grandfather). I have cousins still in the area.

[Crafty Sue]

Merry, oh I see, sorry I misread your message! I don't have the 1921 as I stopped my sub. Is that on FMP?

[Merry]

Yes, on FMP.

That Emily (aged 65 b Brighton) is a servant to Rev Reginald Coles and his wife and they all live at The Rectory, Manningford Bruce, Wiltshire.

[Crafty Sue]

Oh well done Merry! I've just bought the image as I think this is her. Thank you so much.

[Merry]

There's a birth for a George Tillett Thomas in 1910 in Swansea who may well be a relative of the William we are looking for, but unfortunately he died in 1910 too and as the mmn was Williams I'd say unless anyone can find a burial with family details or similar, it may be impossible to find out who his parents were.

[Merry]

Looking at the deaths in the time frame you mentioned there's this one:

Deaths Mar 1927 (>99%)
Thomas Emily 72 Swindon 5a 53

I just wondered if she might have stayed in Wilts as that's where her daughters were and maybe died in hospital as Swindon is a few miles away from the other places we've mentioned.

[Crafty Sue]

Thanks Merry, I'll have a look at that death

[Merry]

Oh, probably not as there's an Emily Thomas living in Swindon (same age) in 1911 and 1921 - unless that one moved somewhere else!

[Crafty Sue]

Many thanks for looking everyone! Although I haven't yet found her death, at least I now know where she was in 1921.