Walter Sewell family

[kiterunner]

I have a new DNA match who is something like 3rd or 4th cousin to me and they are descended from John William Sewell born 2 Nov 1925 Chesterfield, the son of Walter Sewell and Emily Heath who married at Chesterfield Register Office in 1924. John William Sewell died in 1983. (Walter and Emily also had a son Charles born 1924, but he died in infancy).

This is the 1939 Register entry for John Sewell:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/61596/images/tna_r39_3596_3596g_009?treeid=&personid=&queryId=d57253fe-a961-4452-9172-19cd52f6b511&usePUB=true&_phsrc=UMN121680&_phstart=successSource&pId=22068926

159 South St, Adwick le Street, Yorkshire
Dobie John P 4 Oct 1914 married, Underground stone contractor
Dobie Emily 11 Jan 1915 married, Unpaid domestic duties
2 closed records
Sewell John W 2 Nov 1925 At school
Clarke George 19 Jul 1872 divorced, Coal hewer, general worker, old age pension.

John P Dobie married Emily Heath 1933 Doncaster register office.

Can Emily Dobie be John William Sewell's mother? She would have had to knock a good few years off her age! I have found a death for John Philip Dobie in 1981 in Doncaster but not found a death for Emily to see if there is a different dob.

I have two Walter Sewells in my tree, one born 10 Aug 1908 and single on the 1939 Register, so unlikely to be the right one, and another one born 1887 Newark, Nottinghamshire, who I think is probably the one I am looking for. If it is him then the DNA match would be my 3rd cousin once removed which would fit with the amount of shared DNA.

But there are a lot of branches of my Sewell family, so I would like to be sure this is the right Walter before adding Emily, John William etc to my tree, just in case there is another Walter, related to me, who I don't know about. This is "my" Walter on the 1911 census:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2352/images/rg14_20256_0311_03?pId=21097350

Can anyone find anything to help? For instance, what happened to the Walter who married Emily, and what happened to Emily?

[Phoenix]

I take it you don't want to contact the DNA match? How on earth would Emily have explained John William to Philip?

[kiterunner]

It's not that I don't want to contact them, but that I don't think the DNA match has any info about Walter and Emily, Phoenix.

[kiterunner]

My Walter's dob from his birth cert - 1 Apr 1887.

[Anstey Nomad]

SEWELL, JOHN WILLIAM
GRO Reference: 1925 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 1158

No mother's maiden name on his birth registration, so are you sure about his parentage?

[Anstey Nomad]

if John William Sewell was born in 1925 and Emily Heath Dobie was born in 1915, she is going to struggle to be his mother surely, unless she was really precocious!

In any event, Charles Sewell is registered in 1924 with his mother's maiden name of Heath in the quarter after the marriage. All kushty. John William Sewell, is registered the following year, so after the marriage, with no mother's maiden name.

I don't think Emily can be his mother, or am I missing something?

[Anstey Nomad]

What about this family? In Chesterfield in 1911.

Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Walter Sewell 33 Head
Florence Sewell 30 Wife
Walter Sewell 5 Son

Walter Charles Sewell was born in Holloway, London, but Florence Ada (Burton) and Walter Francis Sewell were both born in Chesterfield. Walter C and Florence were married at Trinity Church there on 10 June 1905. Walter F was born in JQ 1906 and baptised on 13 April.

By 1939, Walter C and Florence were in Wanstead Essex.

[kiterunner]

if John William Sewell was born in 1925 and Emily Heath Dobie was born in 1915, she is going to struggle to be his mother surely, unless she was really precocious!

In any event, Charles Sewell is registered in 1924 with his mother's maiden name of Heath in the quarter after the marriage. All kushty. John William Sewell, is registered the following year, so after the marriage, with no mother's maiden name.

I don't think Emily can be his mother, or am I missing something?

The GRO site doesn't show MMN for births less than 100 years ago. If you look on FreeBMD, John's MMN is Heath. I don't know whether Emily's dob on the 1939 Register is correct or not.

[kiterunner]

What about this family? In Chesterfield in 1911.

Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Walter Sewell 33 Head
Florence Sewell 30 Wife
Walter Sewell 5 Son

Walter Charles Sewell was born in Holloway, London, but Florence Ada (Burton) and Walter Francis Sewell were both born in Chesterfield. Walter C and Florence were married at Trinity Church there on 10 June 1905. Walter F was born in JQ 1906 and baptised on 13 April.

By 1939, Walter C and Florence were in Wanstead Essex.

Sorry but I don't see how they could be Walter Sewell and Emily Heath?

[Anstey Nomad]

I don't think they are. I think they're another Sewell family with two Walters who need to be counted in or out.

[kiterunner]

Thanks, AN. But as far as I know, they aren't related to me, though. And if that Walter sr is with Florence in 1911 and 1939, he is unlikely to have married Emily in between.

[kiterunner]

Okay, on the 1962 electoral register, John Philip Dobie and Emily Dobie are at 8 The Crescent, Woodlands, Don Valley, Yorkshire. Emily is still there on the 2003-4 electoral register, and then there is an Emily Dobie death in 2004 in Doncaster, with her dob given as 11 Sep 1916! (On the 1939 Register it was 11 Jan 1915.)

[kiterunner]

The electoral registers have led me down a deep rabbit hole - will report back if I ever find my way out! On some of the e rolls, an Edward S Heath is with the Dobies. He seems to be Edward Simeon Heath born 26 Sep 1912 Chesterfield district, MMN Whitehous, (think it should be Whitehouse), died 1982 Doncaster. I'm trying to find an Emily Heath in his family - guess what? His mother was an Emily. So there could be another Emily somewhere in the family.

Also, Edward's brother Henry Heath, born 1906 Walsall, married my 1st cousin 3 times removed Maggie Sewell (previously married to an Ernest Lambley). They lived together for many years before getting married, because her first husband was still alive.

[kiterunner]

A very quick report back before I go and eat, so nobody else goes down the rabbit hole in the meantime!!

On the 1921 census, Edward is down as Simeon Drew, in Danesmoor, Derbyshire, and he has a sister Emily Drew age 5 years 9 months born Derbyshire Clay Lane Parish. I think she will turn out to be the Emily Heath who married John Philip Dobie, but obviously not the one who married Walter Sewell. Emily sr was 30 on the 1911 census but is 36 on the 1921 census so perhaps young enough to be that one.

[kiterunner]

There is an Emily Sewell marriage to Peter Crompton in 1942 in Hemsworth, Yorkshire. On the 1945 electoral register, there is an Emily M Crompton with the Dobies, and then on the 1952 electoral register, there is an Emily Crompton with Henry Heath and Maggie nee Sewell whom I mentioned in post #13. Emily May Crompton death Jan-Mar 1954 Hemsworth, age 70. Age fits with the Emily sr mentioned above.

So I think both Emilys are sorted out now, but I still haven't found any info on the Walter Sewell who married Emily sr, unless I pay up for their marriage cert.

[kiterunner]

On the electoral registers, Walter and Emily are at 4 Joseph Street, Hemsworth, in 1928 and 7 Kents Gardens, Don Valley, in 1929, but a different family are at that address in 1930.

[Katarzyna]

I have been looking for Walter too but find nothing more than you have already. I guess a marriage cert as you say would be the best route as the witnesses might be a help there. I feel your frustration - I have a paternal marriage and baptism pre-1837 missing. The few DNA matches don't help either and their trees if any don't go back far enough on that side. I live in hope.

[kiterunner]

Thanks, Kat.