George Baker ironmonger

[Phoenix]

George married in 1839: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1623/images/31280_195175-00168?pId=2527486

His father was George Baker, also an ironmonger, and witnesses both bore the surname Thorogood.

So it is reasonable to suppose that his parents were George Baker and Susanna nee Thorogood, and this was their marriage in 1818:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1623/images/31547_212687-00138?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=3898a50ad05c6f419f72ddb853e16c87&pId=10092418


George was born 1819 in Queen's Square: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1558/images/31281_a100923-00135?pId=489136


Other children were:
William Baker 19 Jan 1823 St George, Hanover Square Westminster George,
Susannah (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1558/31547_212689-00308/6576890?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdbid%3d1558%26gsln%3dbaker%26gsfn_ x%3d1%26gsln_x%3d1%26cp%3d4%26msfng%3dgeorge%26msf ng_x%3d1%26msmng%3dsus*%26msmng_x%3d1%26pcat%3d%26 qh%3d598fed83e4b9b80fccf2394daea03108%26hc%3d50%26 new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26uidh%3d9vh%26redir%3dfalse%26 msT%3d1&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=6fdaff9476e8606ba25c6040e0d133e2)
View Record (https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=nUX10482&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&dbid=1558&gsln=baker&gsfn_x=1&gsln_x=1&cp=4&msfng=george&msfng_x=1&msmng=sus*&msmng_x=1&qh=598fed83e4b9b80fccf2394daea03108&new=1&rank=1&uidh=9vh&redir=false&msT=1&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=39&h=6581948&recoff=&ml_rpos=40&queryId=6fdaff9476e8606ba25c6040e0d133e2) Henry Thomas Baker 22 Jun 1828 St George, Hanover Square Westminster George,
Susannah (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1558/31547_212692-00041/6581948?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdbid%3d1558%26gsln%3dbaker%26gsfn_ x%3d1%26gsln_x%3d1%26cp%3d4%26msfng%3dgeorge%26msf ng_x%3d1%26msmng%3dsus*%26msmng_x%3d1%26pcat%3d%26 qh%3d598fed83e4b9b80fccf2394daea03108%26hc%3d50%26 new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26uidh%3d9vh%26redir%3dfalse%26 msT%3d1&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=6fdaff9476e8606ba25c6040e0d133e2)
View Record (https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=nUX10482&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&dbid=1558&gsln=baker&gsfn_x=1&gsln_x=1&cp=4&msfng=george&msfng_x=1&msmng=sus*&msmng_x=1&qh=598fed83e4b9b80fccf2394daea03108&new=1&rank=1&uidh=9vh&redir=false&msT=1&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=40&h=6722721&recoff=&ml_rpos=41&queryId=6fdaff9476e8606ba25c6040e0d133e2) Charles Baker 5 Sep 1824 St George, Hanover Square Westminster George,
Susanna (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1558/31547_212690-00052/6722721?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdbid%3d1558%26gsln%3dbaker%26gsfn_ x%3d1%26gsln_x%3d1%26cp%3d4%26msfng%3dgeorge%26msf ng_x%3d1%26msmng%3dsus*%26msmng_x%3d1%26pcat%3d%26 qh%3d598fed83e4b9b80fccf2394daea03108%26hc%3d50%26 new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26uidh%3d9vh%26redir%3dfalse%26 msT%3d1&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=6fdaff9476e8606ba25c6040e0d133e2)
View Record (https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=nUX10482&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&dbid=1558&gsln=baker&gsfn_x=1&gsln_x=1&cp=4&msfng=george&msfng_x=1&msmng=sus*&msmng_x=1&qh=598fed83e4b9b80fccf2394daea03108&new=1&rank=1&uidh=9vh&redir=false&msT=1&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=41&h=6735692&recoff=&ml_rpos=42&queryId=6fdaff9476e8606ba25c6040e0d133e2) Emma Baker 27 Feb 1831 St George, Hanover Square Westminster George,
Susannah

tbc

[Phoenix]

William, Henry Thomas, Charles and Emma were all born in Davies Street, with their father being an ironmonger.

In a will proved in 1832, Susan Baker, wife of George Baker of Davies Street, Oxford Street is described as the sister of William Thorogood of Ongar, Essex.

Some dreadful tragedy struck in 1831:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1559/images/31547_213352-00489?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=06aa31bf7a187a754f8818269b5b40f3&pId=10325368


Charles aged 6, Henry Thomas and Thomas Richard of Castle Street were all buried on 4th February.


This has to be the same family, but why were the little boys not at Davies Street? Were they being looked after as the mother was near her time?


Emma was buried from Davies Street in 1832: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1559/images/31547_212694-00268?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=3e95dc1a9aa0ed723e770e2196a5970e&pId=10156009


This might be Susanna's burial: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1559/images/31280_199123-00181?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=4c1aa08897aff4c34b1ea46dbe3ad1a5&pId=9505991


But then it all gets rather strange. This is George senior's will: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/5111/images/40611_311587-00594?pId=193692


He appears to have a large family of daughters, born contemporaneously with Susannah's children.


Here is the family in 1851, with all the daughters born before 1831:


https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8860/images/MDXHO107_1493_1493-1557?pId=2421514


Did he have a mistress?
Help, please!

[Phoenix]

Here is the family in 1841: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8978/images/MDXHO107_683_684-0549?pId=7416538


George 55
Martha 45
Eliza 15

Martha 15

Ruth 15

Samuel 9
and Maria Little 20 with baby Thomas.


Hephzibah is at school, and it is not clear who Samuel is. The girls are all acknowledged daughters and George junior is of course already married.

[Phoenix]

Hmm

The three infant deaths appear to be the children of Charles Baker, a police officer. Now to try and find the deaths of another Charles and Henry Thomas

[Phoenix]

Okay. Charles and William Baker died at Davies Street as infants. I cannot as yet discover what happened to Henry Thomas Baker b 1828.

[Phoenix]

The plot thickens.

This is Henry T Baker in 1851: https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1851%2F4303456%2F01222&parentid=GBC%2F1851%2F0003437243

He is with father George, and mother Susannah, aged 57 born Ongar!

[Phoenix]

After mature reflection...
There are TWO George Bakers. Mine is the son of George and Susanna. He is coincidentally living in Tottenham Court Road at the time of marriage. Family occupations include bell founder locksmith ironmonger etc. The other George is the son of George and Martha. The family run a large ironmongers shop in Tottenham Court Road and Dad is incredibly wealthy. I'm interested in Susanna Thorogood rather than the Bakers but I do wonder whether the fathers might have been related?

[Merry]

Totally agree with your conclusion!!

[Merry]

mother Susannah, aged 57 born Ongar

I think that might be 51 not 57. There's a bap in Chipping Ongar in 1798, dau of Thomas and Mary. Is she yours?

[Phoenix]

Yes, that's her. It looks as if she died in St Mary's hospital, Paddington aged 57 in 1855:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1559/images/31280_197466-00411?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=38b1918ab145c12caab208f247f32c78&pId=8581199