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Elderflower

19-09-23, 12:07

This is a death entry on Ancestry and FreeBMD: Ann Goodridge Jun Q 1858 Alderbury 5a 8

When clicking on the associated scan, this entry is not there.

I originally found this index entry on Ancestry and searched for it on the GRO site as I wanted to see her age at death to verify it was the correct person, but nothing was found at the GRO site.

I am aware, that for this period of time, the Ancestry BMD indexes are from FreeBMD. So, I went onto FreeBMD and got the same result. I also searched FMP but found nothing on there.

Back to FreeBMD and tried their suggestion of finding the correct scan the entry had come from but have got very confused. There is a note to say the entry is not in the expected page range.

Background information:

I would expect the death to be in the Alderbury registration district. There is an entry for 1856 but that is not my Ann Goodridge as this person was 82, also shown on her burial. I have searched for a burial for my Ann but no luck there either.

The surname Goodridge has many variations including Gooderidge, Goodredge, Goodrich and Guttridge. My Ann was born Ann Shelly about 1832. Her husband was William Goodridge who re married in 1865. She had a child Elizabeth Goodridge in Dec Q 1856 in Alderbury so was alive at that point. I have not found her in any census after 1851.

Can anyone find the scan where the original index entry has come from please?

Thank you for any help with this.

Pat

kiterunner

19-09-23, 12:39

As far as I can see, it is just a transcription mistake and there is no such record. It looks as though the transcriber had a very poor copy of this index page.

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/8914/images/ONS_D18582GS-0069?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=GHf566&_phstart=successSource&pId=13219247

Edit - if you click through from the entry on FreeBMD to view the original scan that was used for the transcription, the last few entries are very difficult to make out, hence the mistake.

Phoenix

19-09-23, 15:56

Alderbury is the Salisbury area. If that is where you reckon she died, you ought to be able to find her burial. Off to hunt.

Phoenix

19-09-23, 16:06

A Mary Louisa daughter of Willim and Ann Goodridge is born 1863 Winterbourne Earls
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/1304540:61188?tid=&pid=&queryId=ba4fcc3e4825ca5a6855cc63d65d9936&_phsrc=nUX9767&_phstart=successSource

She is buried 3 months later, and so is a Mary Ann Goodridge
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/1304540:61188?tid=&pid=&queryId=ba4fcc3e4825ca5a6855cc63d65d9936&_phsrc=nUX9767&_phstart=successSource

kiterunner

19-09-23, 16:19

Phoenix

19-09-23, 16:36

And a marriage to Ann in 1861, apparently not C of E.

Elderflower

19-09-23, 16:39

Mary Louisa is not one of mine as the Mother's maiden surname would be Shelly. The family lived in the Salisbury / Downton / Charlton area.
Then William married his second wife in 1865 in St Mary Redcliffe, Bristol. On the marriage certificate he is shown as a Bachelor. (I have come across this on other occasions when the man was actually a widower). His occupation is recorded as Miner but he was a gardener previously and in subsequent censuses. His Father was Henry Goodridge which is correct.

I had previously discounted this 2nd marriage but DNA results have made me change my mind as matches have ancestors to children of this second and his third marriage in 1887.

Although I agree that the transcript is probably incorrect, the transcriber must have got the name from somewhere and that is why I was looking for a scan of the death in Alderbury.

Thank you for looking.

Pat

Elderflower

19-09-23, 16:47

And a marriage to Ann in 1861, apparently not C of E.
Phoenix, how can you tell it's not C of E?

Pat

Phoenix

19-09-23, 17:56

On the assumption that all the parish marriages are on Ancestry. I haven't had problems with Salisbury and the surrounding villages in the past. I can't find an entry searching for either him or her.

Can you find William in 1861? Is he in Great Yarmouth in 1851, or is that another William? My Salisbury relations are whizzing around all over the place at that period, but largely to Hampshire and Surrey.

Merry

19-09-23, 19:13

I see Wm and Ann also had a dau Lydia in 1854. I can't see her or Wm in 1861.

If he and Ann and his children had moved away from Wilts, could this be your Ann?

GOODRIDGE, ANN 26
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 141

This was the only death I could see that was good for age between 1856 and 1865.

She was buried 8 Jul 1859 at Victoria Park Cemetery, Hackney from Belgrave Place(?), Walworth.

Elderflower

19-09-23, 19:36

Lydia Goodridge age 7 is recorded as Grand Daughter of Henry Goodridge in 1861. Her name transcribed as Luke: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/24191818:8767?tid=&pid=&queryId=b0d54b06fc2161aa9209e6debba65259&_phsrc=oyX2933&_phstart=successSource

Have not found William in 1861 but is here in 1851: Salisbury St Thomas age 18 and a Porter's Apprentice, born Charlton, Wilts: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/5475007:8860?tid=&pid=&queryId=efc5a7404b1f48d3b0bec71da53588f4&_phsrc=oyX2935&_phstart=successSource

I will look at that death ref but think I may have dismissed it on a previous occasion.

Pat

Merry

19-09-23, 22:14

You didn't say what happened to Elizabeth, so I also wondered about this death (given she wasn't with Lydia in 1861):

GOODRIDGE, ELIZABETH 3
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 175

She was buried in the same cemetery as Ann, but from South St, Walworth.

Elderflower

20-09-23, 16:48

Thanks for that Merry. I have not found Elizabeth anywhere and this might be her. Can you tell me where the cemetery records are please? I have Ancestry and FMP.

Pat

Elderflower

20-09-23, 16:58

For some reason my reply did not go through - I expect I pressed the wrong button.

Update now:

Have downloaded the digital part of the Ann who died in 1859. Her date of death was 4/7/1859. Address: 26 Belgrade Place, Walworth. Wife of William Goodridge a Railway Carman. She died if Pthisis age 26.

Have searched for William at that address in the 1861 census but there is a different family altogether. I also searched it in 1851 in case this is a different couple, but the street numbers do not go up to 26.

Then searched for other births for Elizabeth Goodridge in 1856 plus or minus 2 years. Looked at the marriages for those MMN that appeared and was able to discount all of them apart for the one with MMN Shelly (my Elizabeth). So, it looks like this might well be my couple. Just would like to see the cemetery records that Merry mentioned but cannot find them. I must be looking in the wrong place.

You really are all geniuses for identifying this death as my Ann Goodridge and I cannot thank you enough.

Pat

kiterunner

20-09-23, 18:11

This is Elizabeth's burial record:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2972/images/40612_B0152044-00125?treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=UMN104677&_phstart=successSource&pId=2896122

and this one is Ann's:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2972/images/40612_B0152043-00067?treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=UMN104678&_phstart=successSource&pId=2826971

Elderflower

20-09-23, 19:56

Thank you for those links. Think I might get the digital image of Elizabeth's death too.

Pat

Elderflower

21-09-23, 10:49

Downloaded the death cert extract for Elizabeth and was pleased to see that her Father is shown as William Goodridge a general carman. She died on 30/12/1859 and were at 3 Providence Street, Newington at this time. Still no luck finding William in the 1861 at this address either.

Thanks again to the help you have given me.

Pat

Merry

21-09-23, 12:18

I would imagine men without a family in tow would be the most likely people to be missed from the census, or incorrect details recorded, especially in a big town or city.

kiterunner

21-09-23, 12:36

There are a lot of pieces missing from the 1861 census.

Elderflower

21-09-23, 13:48

I think I have enough to satisfy the tying up of some loose ends for this branch, so will not continue to search for William in 1861 for now. I have him after this up until his death.

Thank you for all your input.

Pat