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ElizabethHerts
22-04-23, 08:18
Can anyone find Brazier Norman, born 1854 at Shoreditch, in the 1891 Census?

His parents were both dead before the 1861 Census.

In 1861 Brazier is with his uncle William and family in Marylebone. William is a master cabinet maker.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1861%2F0075%2F00542A&parentid=GBC%2F1861%2F0000479506

In 1871 he is with his brother George and family. There was a tradition of cabinet makers in the family.

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1871/0002309142&expand=true

In 1881 he is himself a cabinet maker and a boarder. I think his cousin Alice is visiting.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7572/images/LNDRG11_305_309-0411?pId=14534807

He married Emily Anne Smith in 1882 but she died in 1884.

He married again in 1898, to Agnes Davis. The family were in and out of the workhouse. They were in Brighton for a while.
Merry
22-04-23, 08:45
I looked on UK census Online, but nothing obvious. Were there no children from the first marriage?

If he's anything like my Inkermann Wells, he decided to call himself William or Henry - it's almost as if they WANT to be invisible!!
ElizabethHerts
22-04-23, 08:48
Thanks for looking, Merry. I haven't found any children from the first marriage but I need to check again on the GRO.

I have researched his family and still have no idea where the name of Brazier came from.
Phoenix
22-04-23, 08:59
He also isn't obvious in 1921. Perhaps if we could find him there, it might indicate how he was hiding?
ElizabethHerts
22-04-23, 09:00
He might be in the workhouse, Phoenix.
ElizabethHerts
22-04-23, 09:04
There are a few of these:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/10653250:60391?ssrc=pt&tid=190186345&pid=112476242607

This is 6 April 1911.

I'll have to check the dates of the others.
Phoenix
22-04-23, 09:06
What you want is a settlement examination like this: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2651/images/32966_605905_1935-00108?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=d1ad06e70dfcc538140a890ec10c82e6&pId=387293


It shows exactly where his mother Alice had been living in the years leading up to 1856.
ElizabethHerts
22-04-23, 09:07
There are also records for 1908, with his wife and children, and then in 1912.
ElizabethHerts
22-04-23, 09:15
What you want is a settlement examination like this: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2651/images/32966_605905_1935-00108?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=d1ad06e70dfcc538140a890ec10c82e6&pId=387293


It shows exactly where his mother Alice had been living in the years leading up to 1856.

Thanks, Phoenix. That was after her husband George had died. I had it attached to her on my Ancestry tree.

Alice married Charles Cannon Marshall in May 1858 and I think this is her death later that year:
MARSHALL, ALICE 46
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 180
ElizabethHerts
04-05-23, 08:50
Can anyone please read the writing in the two columns following the name George Norman on the right-hand page?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/60391/images/31363_A106274-00145?pId=10335929

I'm trying to put all the entries for the Norman family in chronological order.
kiterunner
04-05-23, 09:47
I think it might say "To Cottage Homes", reading it in conjunction with the entry a few lines above.
ElizabethHerts
04-05-23, 09:55
Thanks, Kate.