Helen/Ellen Horne/Titford b c 1875 England

[Phoenix]

I have a DNA match with this woman, who settled in Canada and married Bert Warren. (Their son was James)

Several trees show her as Helena Amelia Titford, which is quite wrong - Amelia married Benjamin John Denham in England, and stayed here.

I think she is the daughter of Samuel Horne and Emma Howell, born 1876 in Guildford.

This is possibly Ellen emigrating to Quebec in 1905:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/46649544:2997?tid=&pid=&queryId=a96b499feef5e0602a8714f220c4b5fd&_phsrc=nUX4079&_phstart=successSource

Ellen is aged 29, a domestic, and might be travelling with Betty Hunt, aged 26 and also a domestic, next to her on the passenger list.

Can anyone find a marriage for her in Canada, or spot her on the 1911 census there, please?

[kiterunner]

When you say you have a DNA match with her, presumably you mean with a descendant of hers? Also I can't find any of the trees that you mention to get more information - could you post a link to one of the trees, please?

[Phoenix]

This is one tree - there are quite a few
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/26517367?cfpid=1858316440&dtid=100


The link is almost certainly with Helen as I have four or five different matches.


Ellen is with Bert in 1916, but I can't access the details

[kiterunner]

1916 Canadian census:
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan
Bert Warren Head M 29 born England arrived 1908
Ellen Warren Wife M 39 born England arrived 1904
Dorothy Titford Stepdaughter 9 born Manitoba
Frederick Charles Warren Son 1 born Saskatchewan
Charles Kingsley Shuttleworth Lodger S 33 born England arrived 1905

[kiterunner]

This is her first marriage:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/1078708:70600?tid=&pid=&queryId=99e005d04227161899489f65d0202032&_phsrc=UMN69941&_phstart=successSource

22 Nov 1905 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Henry Alexander Titford / Ellen Horne.

Clicking through to the Manitoba site doesn't give any extra information.

[kiterunner]

Henry Alexander Titford died 7 Sep 1913 Saskatchewan. The Saskatchewan site hasn't made marriages available online yet so I suppose that's why Ellen's marriage to Bert Warren isn't coming up.
http://genealogy.ehealthsask.ca/vsgs_srch.aspx

[kiterunner]

I can't find the Titfords on the 1911 Canadian census.

[kiterunner]

Henry's probate records are available on FamilySearch and the daughter's full name is given as Ellen Dorothy Titford:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9T3H-39Q?i=6&cc=1918293

Probably explains why I haven't managed to find anything on her apart from that 1916 census.

Also if you scroll forwards from my link to page 11, Bert Warren is also mentioned.

[kiterunner]

They are down as Tidford on the 1906 Canadian census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9T3H-39Q?i=6&cc=1918293

Winnipeg, Manitoba
Harry Tidford Head M 27 born England arrived 1903
Ellen Tidford Wife M 30 born England arrived 1905.

[Phoenix]

Thanks, Kite.
So I probably have found the correct Ellen, but there's no guarantee that she was the mother of Dorothy? Apparently Bert had THREE stepdaughters at his death:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/2721126/person/142270065697/media/c3d2b956-2e2c-4211-82d9-b380033b6773?_phsrc=nUX4090&_phstart=successSource

Gosh, you're finding stuff faster than I can type! So yes,she IS the mother of Dorothy

[Phoenix]

Thanks for the admon details - I note that Shuttleworth the lodger is also a witness.

[Phoenix]

And, oh joy! Helena Amelia Titford turns out to be Ellen's sister in law