Family search question.

[Olde Crone]

I used to be able to navigate familysearch with my eyes closed. These days I can't seem to make it past the first page.

A contact has given me the information from familysearch that

"Timothy Holden and Phoebe Entwistle married in 1719" .

I found the tree bearing this information, no date or place given and "no image available". Does that mean it is a submitted entry rather than a transcribed entry?

I'd be grateful if anyone can find this marriage, although I strongly suspect it's been made up for propriety's sake. Still, no stone unturned and all that...

TIA

OC

[Merry]

I don't know what's the matter with you, OC!

Isn't it well known that Timothy Holden married Phoebe Entwistle some time not long before 1720 as that's when they had a child. Timothy was of unknown age and Phoebe was born about 150 years after the birth of their son, James.

Timothy's parents, William Holden and Judith Hindle were very young grandparents as they were born around 130 years after their grandson.

I know the above is correct as I've just seen it on an Ancestry tree :D

.....there is this burial record which is probably one of their children (this is all I've found at the moment!):

Burial: 22 Sep 1725 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
John Holden - Son of Timothy Holden, Weaver & Phebe
Abode: L. B.
Register: Burials 1712 - 1733
Source: Microfilm of register at Manchester Library

[Merry]

Oh, and I agree about Family Search! :mad:

[kiterunner]

If it is just in a tree on FamilySearch then it could have come from anywhere or just out of someone's head.

[Merry]

I presume part of the info came from this burial?:

Burial: 30 Apr 1787 Lower Chapel, Over Darwen, Lancashire, England
Phoebe Holden (formerly Entwistle) - Wife of Timy. Holden
Age: 87th
Abode: Woodhead - Banks
Notes: [maiden name is Entwisle]
Buried by: Robt. Smalley
Register: Burials 1785 - 1819, Page 91, Entry 19
Source: LDS Film 560876

Why do I feel as if some of what was transcribed had been added to the PR in biro some time in the last 50 years or so?!! lol

[kiterunner]

It's a non-conformist record, not a PR, Merry. Here is the image on Ancestry:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2972/images/40612_B0149298-00094?treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=UMN51901&_phstart=successSource&pId=1784172

[Merry]

OK, so I take it back about the biro!

[Merry]

I see Febey Entwistle was baptised 24 Nov 1700 at St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn. Dau of John abode Upper Darwen (image on Ancestry).

I presume it's just the marriage that is missing?

[Olde Crone]

Sorry, unexpected visitors!

Yes, it's just the 1719 marriage I'm missing and I agree, it's probably invented - but it was the "England Parish Registers, no image available" bit which enticed me to try to find it.

The same tree has someone dying in Darwen, buried in Poland.......

OC

[kiterunner]

Where does it say "England Parish Registers, no image available", OC? I have found the couple in the Family Tree section on FamilySearch with 1719 for the marriage but I can't see anything about no image available.

[Olde Crone]

I can't find that now, either, Kate. It was in a side panel of sources. I don't understand why I can't find a list of records to search on the site.

OC

[kiterunner]

Search > Records then scroll down a bit and you should see BROWSE ALL COLLECTIONS. Click on that and you get a list of all the "collections". Hopefully this link will take you to it:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list

[Olde Crone]

Thank you Kate, I've had a good look, there's no marriage on there. Can't say I'm surprised but I needed to be sure.

OC