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maggie_4_7
08-10-22, 06:40
What does the BB on these baptisms mean:-
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/10548297:1624
I think I know but...
Thank you.
I presume 'base born', given the mother and father in each case have different surnames. Quite a few, aren't there?!!
maggie_4_7
08-10-22, 07:44
I presume 'base born', given the mother and father in each case have different surnames. Quite a few, aren't there?!!
Yes a lot which is why I wasn't sure seems to be more if not as many as legitimate births.
Perhaps the vicar was on a mission? I wonder if he managed to get any of the couples to marry? That would be a project for you!!! :D
Olde Crone
08-10-22, 07:57
Not a member of Ancestry, so can't look - but are the BB baptisms in clusters? I'm thinking workhouse baptisms.
OC
maggie_4_7
08-10-22, 07:59
Perhaps the vicar was on a mission? I wonder if he managed to get any of the couples to marry? That would be a project for you!!! :D
Well I know Duncan Carmichael and Mary Purkis didn't marry
Is that the same Duncan Carmichael who was married to Ann Allen?
ElizabethHerts
08-10-22, 08:09
Well I know Duncan Carmichael and Mary Purkis didn't marry
Inventive transcription of mother's surname - Prictoe!
Not a member of Ancestry, so can't look - but are the BB baptisms in clusters? I'm thinking workhouse baptisms.
OC
Yes, they are in small clusters. Only one I saw didn't have a full name for the father (no surname).
maggie_4_7
08-10-22, 08:14
Is that the same Duncan Carmichael who was married to Ann Allen?
Yes I think so, right area but the marriage was before the birth of Ellen/Eleanor wasn't it?
maggie_4_7
08-10-22, 08:21
Inventive transcription of mother's surname - Prictoe!
On some its transcribed as Parkis.
ElizabethHerts
08-10-22, 08:40
On some its transcribed as Parkis.
Yes, I saw that. My mother was a Purkis.
Yes I think so, right area but the marriage was before the birth of Ellen/Eleanor wasn't it?
Yes it was. I think there may have been two:
Duncan C (bachelor) married Ann Allen 1800 St Geo Hanover Sq
Duncan C (bachelor) married Sarah Maria Reynolds (widow) 1797 St Dunstan in the West
The first of these two died in 1820 (PCC will).
maggie_4_7
08-10-22, 10:56
Yes it was. I think there may have been two:
Duncan C (bachelor) married Ann Allen 1800 St Geo Hanover Sq
Duncan C (bachelor) married Sarah Maria Reynolds (widow) 1797 St Dunstan in the West
The first of these two died in 1820 (PCC will).
One of these may be my Ellen Purkis' father, a tree has a Duncan Carmichael and Mary Purkis as her parents! As I have said before Ellen and her husband Francis Smith are a massive brick wall.
maggie_4_7
08-10-22, 11:03
Yes it was. I think there may have been two:
Duncan C (bachelor) married Ann Allen 1800 St Geo Hanover Sq
Duncan C (bachelor) married Sarah Maria Reynolds (widow) 1797 St Dunstan in the West
The first of these two died in 1820 (PCC will).
There's another one:
To a Jane Thomas, unless they are all the same one and the wives died after 10 and 3 years !
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/37136141:9852?tid=&pid=&queryId=f80f9371d442d833c8e454c5f4279b9d&_phsrc=iMB2965&_phstart=successSource
I saw this transcription on FMP, but can't find it on Ancestry images:
First name(s) Eleanor
County Middlesex
Last name Parkis
Country England
Birth year 1804
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Death year 1804
Record set Westminster Burials
Death date 04 Mar 1804
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Burial year 1804
Subcategory Parish Burials
Burial date ? ? 1804
Collections from England, Great Britain
Burial place St James, Piccadilly
FMP also has this transcription, which I presume is for Eleanor's mother:
irst name(s) Mary
County London
Last name Purkis
Country England
Age 28
Record type Admissions
Birth year 1775
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Year 1803
Record set Westminster, Poor Law And Parish Administration
Year range 1794-1796
Category Institutions & organisations
Admitted date 25 Oct 1803
Subcategory Government
Death year -
Collections from England, Great Britain
Place Westminster, St James, Piccadilly
maggie_4_7
09-10-22, 08:41
FMP also has this transcription, which I presume is for Eleanor's mother:
irst name(s) Mary
County London
Last name Purkis
Country England
Age 28
Record type Admissions
Birth year 1775
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Year 1803
Record set Westminster, Poor Law And Parish Administration
Year range 1794-1796
Category Institutions & organisations
Admitted date 25 Oct 1803
Subcategory Government
Death year -
Collections from England, Great Britain
Place Westminster, St James, Piccadilly
Thank you, not my one then.
Oh, I didn't realise that! So you don't need anythink more on these people?
maggie_4_7
09-10-22, 09:37
Oh, I didn't realise that! So you don't need anythink more on these people?
My Ellen Purkis yes but this one isnt mine.
Who is your Emma Purkis?
I searched other threads but only turned up ElizabethHerts asking about an EP!
maggie_4_7
09-10-22, 14:06
Who is your Emma Purkis?
I searched other threads but only turned up ElizabethHerts asking about an EP!
Sorry not sure why I typed Emma its Ellen Purkis!
She is my 3rd great-grandmother the only evidence that she existed is her marriage to Francis Smith, baptisms of Sarah, Charlotte Maria and my 2nd great-grandmother Harriet. No sign of Ellen, Francis or Sarah and Charlotte after.
No sign of Ellen, Francis or Sarah and Charlotte after.
I think Sarah was buried in 1822 aged either 2 or 18months (I forget!) . I remember seeing the burial with the address Union something-or-other. Same address that was on some of the baptisms.
maggie_4_7
09-10-22, 22:14
I think Sarah was buried in 1822 aged either 2 or 18months (I forget!) . I remember seeing the burial with the address Union something-or-other. Same address that was on some of the baptisms.
Oh have you posted that before and I've forgot?
Ancestry?
Edit: found it, yes that must be Sarah, it's Union Walk. I have looked for deaths before so many times and never found that, I don't know how I missed it.
No, I hadn't posted it before. I found it by searching Smith and then Union Walk in the Optional keywords field on FMP.
There is also a Smith family living there in 1841 but none of the people you are looking for. Of course they may be no connection, but just in case:
John Smith 25 clerk No
Mary Smith 60 chandler No
Ann Smith 18 Yes
Amelia Smith 5 Yes
No Smiths at Union Walk in 1851 or 61.
Union Walk is 24 households in 1841.
maggie_4_7
10-10-22, 07:31
No, I hadn't posted it before. I found it by searching Smith and then Union Walk in the Optional keywords field on FMP.
There is also a Smith family living there in 1841 but none of the people you are looking for. Of course they may be no cnnection, but just in case:
John Smith 25 clerk No
Mary Smith 60 chandler No
Ann Smith 18 Yes
Amelia Smith 5 Yes
No Smiths at Union Walk in 1851 or 61.
Union Walk is 24 households in 1841.
Well there is another baptism for Charlotte in 1830, living in Lambs Conduit Passage, Holborn:
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/5052354:1558?ssrc=pt&tid=1310698&pid=1286585294
and then another for Harriet in 1833 back at Union Walk:
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/6554135:1558?ssrc=pt&tid=1310698&pid=-1952925902
They seemed to like baptising them twice but I am beginning to wonder if the Charlotte baptism is them now.
Well, I don't know, but despite them being Smiths, the combo of Charlotte, Francis and Ellen does improve the odds a bit! I remember Francis being a bedstead maker on something. Is his occ the same for any of the early and late baptisms?
Here are some more Union Walk Smiths:
Burial of Mary Smith aged 61 of Union Walk at Golden Lane Cemetery 07 Nov 1841.
Burial of Sarah Smith aged 59 of Union Walk at Saint Leonard Shoreditch 05 Apr 1846
maggie_4_7
10-10-22, 08:31
Here are some more Union Walk Smiths:
Burial of Mary Smith aged 61 of Union Walk at Golden Lane Cemetery 07 Nov 1841.
Burial of Sarah Smith aged 59 of Union Walk at Saint Leonard Shoreditch 05 Apr 1846
That damn name Smith they are everywhere ;(
I think I made a decision that bedstead maker and cabinet maker were probably doing the same job!
Edit: Francis is a Cabinet Maker on one of Harriet's baptisms and Bedstead Maker on the other, on both they are living at Union Walk, thats why I decided it was probably them.
I saw a transcription on FMP for the burial of a William Parkes of Union Walk in 1820 aged 2 at St Leonard's Shoreditch. I wondered if it was tricky writing and should be Purkis, but unfortunately not:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1559/images/31281_A101874-00129?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=559e8bfbc9edee8475d28beefe1c7c1d&pId=419820
That damn name Smith they are everywhere ;(
I think I made a decision that bedstead maker and cabinet maker were probably doing the same job!
I agree, unless the bedsteads were metal!
maggie_4_7
10-10-22, 08:39
I agree, unless the bedsteads were metal!
I edited that post to say; Francis is a Cabinet Maker on one of Harriet's baptisms and Bedstead Maker on the other, on both they are living at Union Walk, thats why I decided it was probably them.
maggie_4_7
10-10-22, 08:46
By the way I have never been able to get the Keyword search to work for me.
maggie_4_7
10-10-22, 09:57
On Ancestry or FMP?
Ancestry and FMP.
Oh, I use it all the time on Ancestry. I almost never use the 'Lived in' or 'Birth Location' fields. I use it mainly for placenames when searching the census often with wildcards to accound for the enumerators handwriting!
On FMP I don't use it so much, just occasionally for a street name, or specific date where there are a lot of results.
maggie_4_7
10-10-22, 10:59
Oh, I use it all the time on Ancestry. I almost never use the 'Lived in' or 'Birth Location' fields. I use it mainly for placenames when searching the census often with wildcards to accound for the enumerators handwriting!
On FMP I don't use it so much, just occasionally for a street name, or specific date where there are a lot of results.
I am probably not using the Keyword search properly.
Perhaps you are entering too much in the keywords?
kiterunner
10-10-22, 12:27
I think you may have to select "exact search" for the keyword to work.
Oh, I didn't know that, because I never have "exact search" unclicked!
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