Martha Coxon baptised 4/8/1805 Stockport

[garstonite]

Good Morning
a day of doing nothing for me - except - trawling through my familytree
my G Grandad - my nans dad Robert Walker b 1864 Hyde Cheshire
his parents were
James Walker and Jane Allcock - Jane was born 1835 in Stockport
her parents were Joseph Allcock and Martha Coxon
so as the title states above
Martha Coxon baptised 4/8/1805 in Heaton Norris ,Stockport
father John Coxon - mother ????
I HAVEN'T GOT HER MUM - Christian name or surname ?
..............
Joseph Allcock married Martha Coxon 8-7-1833 in Cheadle

so I am trying to find Marthas mum who would be my 4 x G Grandmother - any advice hugely appreciated - thanks for reading :)
Allan
ADDED
Apologies - I have just checked my tree and I have her christian name as Martha - but no surname

[Merry]

This looks like her baptism:

Martha Coxon Christening (Baptism) 4 Aug 1805 Stockport John, Martha


That's a transcription from Ancestry. FMP has the image. The only additional info on the image is that they were 'of Heaton' and that Martha jr was brn May 16th.

[Merry]

Siblings (all same church, Stockport, St Mary)

William 15 Jul 1810 b 1 May

Christopher 30 Jul 1815

John 26 Jul 1818

The last two give John's occ as spinner.

I think there are some more with other spellings for the surname....(next post!)

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Thanks Merry
siblings I have are Sarah 1808-William 1810 - Christopher 1815 - John 1818 - thanks for the birth date - didn't have that - just added it to my tree xxx

[Merry]

You will need to see if there are two+ couples marrying with the same fornames. I have recorded the transcription spelling and if I think it's something else on the image, that too:

Samuel Cookson/Cockson? of Heaton 17 Apr 1801 b 27 Jan

James Cason of Stockport 06 Feb 1803 b 31 Dec (1802)

Marianna Cookson or Heaton 30 Aug 1812 b 30 May

I can't see Sarah 1808??

[garstonite]

You will need to see if there are two+ couples marrying with the same fornames. I have recorded the transcription spelling and if I think it's something else on the image, that too:

Samuel Cookson/Cockson? of Heaton 17 Apr 1801 b 27 Jan

James Cason of Stockport 06 Feb 1803 b 31 Dec (1802)

Marianna Cookson or Heaton 30 Aug 1812 b 30 May

I can't see Sarah 1808??

all I can say about that is we have a Marianne with an e born 1852 - so Marianna looks a very possible - what do you think ?

[Merry]

I can only find one marriage 1800 +/-10 for John Co*on (to cover all eventualities!) to Martha X in Cheshire.

31 Dec 1797 at Cheadle, Cheshire

John Cockson to Martha Royle (no further info on the image)

I realise the Lancs border was close to Stockport/Cheadle, so looked on Ancestry for Lancs, but no matches.

[Merry]

all I can say about that is we have a Marianne with an e born 1852 - so Marianna looks a very possible - what do you think ?

Well, as I can only see one marriage and I spelled the entry Marianna when it should have been Marianne I would say it's most likely all these entries are for the same couple.

What date do you have for Sarah in 1808? I can look more closely at the image if you have the exact date.

[kiterunner]

Findmypast has a John Cockson marrying a Martha Royle in 1797 at Cheadle, Cheshire. (Edit - snap, Merry!)

[garstonite]

sorry - no baptism for Sarah Coxon - just b 1808 Stockport - so now I am wondering where that came from - I obviously got Marthas siblings all at once ??
so Martha Royle looks very likely - there was a John Coxon to Martha Ashby but their children were different names - that was just over the border in Derbyshire

added - I have just checked CPRDb and I didn't get Sarah from there ...puzzled now - a usual ...lol

[Merry]

Oh, I think Sarah comes from this census:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8860/images/CHSHO107_2157_2157-0657?treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=psY29704&_phstart=successSource&pId=17303175

If you can't access that, she is an unmarried sister in law to Joseph Allcock on the 1851 census.

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Field Name Field Value
KEYCODE CHDLM01002182.20387
PADVER chdlM2182.2
PARISH_CODE CHDL
TAGGED 0
DATED 7971231
GROOM_FNAME JOHN
GROOM_SNAME *COXON
GROOM_RESID CHEAP
GROOM_SIGN S
BANNS BS
BRIDE_FNAME MARTHA
BRIDE_SNAME ROYLE
BRIDE_STATUS SP
BRIDE_RESID CHEAP
BRIDE_SIGN X
W_FNAME_1 J
W_SNAME_1 WILSON
W_FNAME_2 ROBT
W_SNAME_2 WILSON
C_FNAME MATT
C_SNAME DUNN
INF_SNAME_1 *COCKSON
ADDITIONAL_INFORMATION *COCKSON

[garstonite]

Oh, I think Sarah comes from this census:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8860/images/CHSHO107_2157_2157-0657?treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=psY29704&_phstart=successSource&pId=17303175

If you can't access that, she is an unmarried sister in law to Joseph Allcock on the 1851 census.

Thanks Merry - don't remember it from a census , but must have been - does her age match on the census - b 1808 ?

[Merry]

1841 census 1841 England Census for Martha Coton Heaton Norris Manchester Lancashire

Martha Coton (Coxon) 60 housekeeper Yes
Sarah ditto 35 cotton carder Yes
Christopher ditto 25 ag lab Yes
John ditto 20 cotton weaver Yes

Obvs Yes, for b in Lancs is not necessarily correct!

[Merry]

Thanks Merry - don't remember it from a census , but must have been - does her age match on the census - b 1808 ?

Yes, aged 43 so 1807/8.

[Merry]

Martha Coxon
b abt 1777 bur 27 Nov 1850 Heaton Norris, Christ Church

[garstonite]

So Martha Royle was 20 when she married - gonna see if I can find her birth around 1777 on CPRDB- thanks Merry

[garstonite]

Hmmm only one anywhere near - but dec 1778 - and a twin ?? not convinced

Field Name Field Value
KEYCODE ASHMC01001403.10067
PADVER ashmC1403.1
PARISH_CODE ASHM
TAGGED 0
DATED 7781213
FORENAME MARTHA
SEX F
FATHER_FORENAME JOSEPH
MOTHER_FORENAME HANNAH
SURNAME ROYLE
RESIDENCE SALE
MULTIPLE_TWINS X2
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Sale to Cheadle only 7 miles though ??

[garstonite]

SO - 2 John Coxon to Martha - one we know is NOT right - Martha Ashby - so we come to Martha Royle ??? is she the right one ?

[Merry]

What about this one?

Martha Royle
Baptism 19 Oct 1777 Northenden, St Wilfred dau of James Royle of Sale. Born 23 Sept

[Merry]

There's another couple having children at Stretford whch is also near. They are another James and wife Martha, but their dau Martha is a bit older, bap 1773.

Maybe close for comfort! Pity Martha didn't live another year for the 1851 census.

You might need to try and work out if you can see a forward path for the various Marthas to see of any can be eliminated.

[Merry]

Possible burial:

John Coxon
b abt 1776 bur 12 Jul 1819 of Heaton Norris at Northenden, St Wilfred

I've not looked for any other spellings.

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Thanks Merry -sorry - went out for a pint to watch Man Utd beat Liverpool 4-0 - Being an Everton fan I am most disappointed ...lol . next time i am out that way ( which I was Sat and sunday at the weekend ) I will call in at that church to have a look ....xxxx