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Rosie Knees
30-01-10, 13:17
Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Ellen Cleeter

Date and place of birth
C1830 Kintbury Berks

Names of parents
Alice Cleator. Father unknown

Date and place of baptism - if applicable
25 APR 1830 Kintbury, Berkshire, England (IGI)

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
31 May 1852, Parish church, Kintbury to William Liddiard

Occupation(s) - if any
none

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on.
1841 - u/k
1851 - kintbury, Berks
1861 - ditto
1871 - ditto
1881 - ditto
1891 - ditto
1901 - Newbury Street, Kintbury
1911 - Park Farm Hungerford Berks


Date, place and cause of death
05/10/1911, Hungerford Park Cottages, senile decay

Date and place of burial / cremation.
u/k

Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
doubtful

Memorial inscription - if any
u/k

kiterunner
30-01-10, 13:37
1891 they were originally transcribed as Leaarara on ancestry but someone has kindly corrected it! To be fair, the enumerator was one of those annoying people whose d's looked almost exactly like a's!
(D'oh, just realised your ditto was for Kintbury, not for unknown! Off to look at 1841 now...)

Rosie Knees
30-01-10, 13:42
I think it may have been me who corrected that, I do recognise that mistrans.

It's 41 I can't find her Kate.

Unfortunately, trying to trawl Kintbury is impossible as a lot of it has faded very badly and can't be read.

I'll see if Ancestry picks up Alice (bc1814)

kiterunner
30-01-10, 13:45
I had no luck, sorry.

Rosie Knees
30-01-10, 13:49
thanks for looking Kate

ElizabethHerts
30-01-10, 14:05
There was an Ellen Liddiard of about the correct age in 1841, but again it was very difficult to read, Rosie.

Margaret in Burton
30-01-10, 14:38
There was an Ellen Liddiard of about the correct age in 1841, but again it was very difficult to read, Rosie.

Isn't it Ellen Cleeter or Cleator we need in 1841?

ElizabethHerts
30-01-10, 15:37
:oYes, I know, but as she married a Liddiard I was sort of investigating all possibilities - perhaps they took her in??

Sue from Southend
30-01-10, 15:55
I think I may have found her in 1841 - will send you a pm!

Sue from Southend
30-01-10, 17:06
I have a copy of the Berkshire Overseers Papers on CD from Berks FHS and found this -

Date 6 Feb 1830 Examination of Alice CLEATER (x) of Kintbury before JP C Dundas that she is with child and that John RUMBLE, gardener, of Kintbury is the reputed father.

ElizabethHerts
30-01-10, 19:29
Well done, Sue!

I'll have to look at Berks FHS more closely as my father's family originally came from there (via Wiltshire, I think).

Sue from Southend
30-01-10, 20:32
Let me know if you want anything looked up Elizabeth - I also have a copy of the Berks Burial Index too!

Rosie Knees
31-01-10, 15:49
oooo! thanks Sue! Does that mean that I might find a bastardy order?

(sorry for delay in reply).

Rosie Knees
31-01-10, 15:55
Let me know if you want anything looked up Elizabeth - I also have a copy of the Berks Burial Index too!

I'm wondering if Alice died before 1841 and that's why Ellen is with the Joneses? Perhaps you could look for me. Alice was BC1814.

Just realised from looking on my FTM that Ellen and her husband William Liddiard were both illegitimate. (shock horror!)

Sue from Southend
31-01-10, 16:24
The only Cleaters buried in Kintbury are Francis 14 Dec 1823 aged 67 and Jane, 31 Dec 1832, aged 65. Possible parents for Alice? There are no Alice Cleaters (or variants of!) on the disc at all.

There are quite a lot of Liddiards buried there - no Ellen I'm afraid but a William 21 Jul 1892 aged 62, from the Hungerford Workhouse. I'll transcribe the others for you and pm them later on (may not be for a couple of days tho'!)
Ellen Liddiard doesn't appear anywhere else either.

Sue from Southend
31-01-10, 17:14
oooo! thanks Sue! Does that mean that I might find a bastardy order?

(sorry for delay in reply).

This CD has Bastardy Orders on it and there is nothing in the index for Alice Cleater or John Rumble apart form what I've already posted. The Berks FHS might be able to tell you if there is anything untranscribed...


http://www.berksfhs.org.uk/index.htm

Having just looked at that site I should point out that my copy of the Burial Index was freebie from a magazine and that there is a more up to date version available!

Rosie Knees
31-01-10, 19:35
The only Cleaters buried in Kintbury are Francis 14 Dec 1823 aged 67 and Jane, 31 Dec 1832, aged 65. Possible parents for Alice? There are no Alice Cleaters (or variants of!) on the disc at all.

There are quite a lot of Liddiards buried there - no Ellen I'm afraid but a William 21 Jul 1892 aged 62, from the Hungerford Workhouse. I'll transcribe the others for you and pm them later on (may not be for a couple of days tho'!)
Ellen Liddiard doesn't appear anywhere else either.

Francis and Jane are certainly on the IGI as parents of an Alice Cleater bc1814 (who I think is mine) so that's poss. I suppose Alice could have married, not sure about that.

William Liddiard in 1892 is Ellen's husband, he died 16/07/1892 in Hungerford so the family must have had him 'planted' in Kintbury.

I'll contact BFHS/RO to see if there are any bastardy record. Thanks for you help :)