Frederick (Fred) Hogg 1854-1897

[JohnS]

1891 census: I have Frederick Hogg (a Tanners Labourer) aged 37 living in Warrington, Cheshire with his wife Lucy aged 38. Both born in Derby, Derbyshire.
With them are children Charles aged 11 born Chesterfield, Harry aged 3 born Derby and Eliza aged 1 born Latchford, Warrington.

I cannot find a marriage for Frederick and Lucy nor can I find a birth for Frederick. Obviously I can't look for Lucy's birth as I don't know her maiden name.

I've searched Births, Marriages (both GRO and Parish), Baptisms, Census returns but am up against a brick wall.

I know that Frederick died in Warrington and was buried there on 6 Sep 1897.

Note: All my searches are on FMP.

[ElizabethHerts]

There is this birth for an Eliza Hogg, suggesting a mother's maiden name of Parker:

HOGG, ELIZA PARKER
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 255

[ElizabethHerts]

There's a very confused public tree on Ancestry saying a Lucy Madeley was married to Frederick Hogg but also with a Parker surname.

I need to look at it carefully as it's rather muddled!

[Olde Crone]

There is an Eliza Hogg, 1889, born Latchford on cheshirebmd, no mmn and no corresponding entry on gro.

OC

[ElizabethHerts]

1881 Census

Lucy Parker Head W 28 no occupation born Derby
Sarah Ann Daur 10 Scholar Derby
Edward Son 6 Scholar Derby
Elizabeth Daur 3 Scholar Derby Idiot from birth
Charles Son 1 Chesterfield Derbyshire
Richard Jones Brother in law Mar 34 Iron Mould Unemployed Leamington, Warwickshire
Ruth Jones Sister in law Mar 34 Derby
Edward Jones Nephew 11 Scholar Derby
Richard Jones Nephew 8 Scholar Derby
Lucy Jones Niece 1 Derby

Charles must be the Charles Hogg on the 1891 Census.

[ElizabethHerts]

According to the tree, there was another son, Frederick, born in 1894.

Here is the GRO entry:

HOGG, FRED MADELY
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 285

This time with the Madely surname.

[ElizabethHerts]

Lucy Madeley married Edward Parker in Derby Q4 1870.

[ElizabethHerts]

Edward Parker died aged 28 Q1 1880 at Chesterfield.

[ElizabethHerts]

1901 Census

Lucy is still in Warrington with Charles P Hogg 21, Henry 13, Eliza 11, Fred 6, and a lodger just given as "Andrew".

[Phoenix]

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7814/images/LANRG13_3583_3585-0956?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&_gl=1*477wve*_ga*NjMwMzg3NjAwLjE2NTEwOTI0ODE.*_ga_ 4QT8FMEX30*MTY1MzMyODk0MC4xNDMuMS4xNjUzMzI5MDQwLjA .&pId=22330521


1901 and Lucy is a widow wit her son Charles P Hogg and other children.


It looks as if Charles was the son of Edward Parker and Lucy nee Madeley.

[ElizabethHerts]

When Lucy and Edward Parker were first married they were with her parents on the 1871 Census. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7619/images/DBYRG10_3559_3561-0439?pId=24584923


Here is her baptism:

First name(s) Lucy
Last name Madeley
Birth year 1852
Birth date 13 Nov 1852
Baptism year 1852
Baptism date 12 Dec 1852
Denomination Swedenborgian
Place Derby, New Church Swedenborgian
Address New Church
County Derbyshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Edward
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Father's occupation -
Residence Unrecorded
Record set Derbyshire Births And Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

[Merry]

Edward Parker died aged 28 Q1 1880 at Chesterfield.

Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald 03 April 1880 (FMP)

PARKER - March 29, Spa Lane, Chesterfield, Edward Parker, aged 28.

[ElizabethHerts]

Charles Parker's baptism:
First name(s) Charles
Last name Parker
Baptism year 1880
Baptism date 22 Apr 1880
Denomination Anglican
Church St Alkmund
Place Derby, St Alkmund
County Derbyshire
Father's first name(s) Edward
Father's last name Parker
Mother's first name(s) Lucy
Mother's last name Parker
Country England
Record set Derbyshire Births And Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Sarah Ann Parker:

First name(s) Sarah Ann
Last name Parker
Baptism year 1871
Baptism date 02 Apr 1871
Denomination Anglican
Church St Alkmund
Place Derby, St Alkmund
County Derbyshire
Father's first name(s) Edward
Father's last name Parker
Mother's first name(s) Lucy
Mother's last name Parker
Country England
Record set Derbyshire Births And Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Lucy, Edward and Elizabeth Parker's baptisms with images are here on Ancestry:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/61408/images/RS00013360_4172625-00903?pId=16272171

[JohnS]

I've found a Parish Record where Lucy remarried after Fredericks death.
She married Robinson Brabon widower on 5 March 1900 in Warrington and gave her father's name as Edward Madeley, Police Officer.
Still unable to find a marriage for Lucy Madeley/Parker to a Frederick Hogg (would have been after Edward Parker died aged 28 Q1 1880 at Chesterfield).

Thank you all for taking the time to help.

[Phoenix]

Lucy was free to marry again, but it might be that Fred wasn't.

[ElizabethHerts]

I've found a Parish Record where Lucy remarried after Fredericks death.
She married Robinson Brabon widower on 5 March 1900 in Warrington and gave her father's name as Edward Madeley, Police Officer.
Still unable to find a marriage for Lucy Madeley/Parker to a Frederick Hogg (would have been after Edward Parker died aged 28 Q1 1880 at Chesterfield).

Thank you all for taking the time to help.

Yes, Edward Madeley was a Policeman in the 1871 Census. Before that he was a Tape Weaver.
He married Ann Watson in 1838.

[ElizabethHerts]

I've found a Parish Record where Lucy remarried after Fredericks death.
She married Robinson Brabon widower on 5 March 1900 in Warrington and gave her father's name as Edward Madeley, Police Officer.
Still unable to find a marriage for Lucy Madeley/Parker to a Frederick Hogg (would have been after Edward Parker died aged 28 Q1 1880 at Chesterfield).

Thank you all for taking the time to help.

The marriage was in 1905.

[ElizabethHerts]

1911 Census:

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1911%2FRG14%2F23178%2F0023%2F2

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robinson Braban Head Married Male 62 1849 Spade maker County Durham
Lucy Braban Wife Married Female 58 1853 - Derby
Fred Hogg Stepson Single Male 17 1894 House decorator Latchford
Harry Hogg Stepson Married Male 23 1888 Buss conductor Derby
Ellen Hogg Daughter in law Married Female 38 1873 - Birmingham

[JohnS]

The marriage was in 1905.

You're correct. I should have gone to Specsavers :)

[ElizabethHerts]

Lucy is easily found in the 1921 Census:

Lucy, Robinson, Fred and 3 others are on this record

Lucy died in 1922.
BRABAN, LUCY 69
GRO Reference: 1922 M Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 305

[ElizabethHerts]

Interesting!

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0002601%2f19071214%2f121&stringtohighlight=lucy%20braban

She is endorsing kidney pills! The story appears several times.

[ElizabethHerts]

Probable birth of Edward Parker:

PARKER, EDWARD CADMAN
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in DERBY UNION Volume 19 Page 630


Off to watch the Chelsea Flower Show.

[Merry]

I wondered if this is Fred in 1881 in the army barracks at Aldershot:

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1881%2F4299991%2F00582&parentid=GBC%2F1881%2F0003936397

He's a couple of years younger then might have been expected, but it looks likely this is the army record for the same man and there he is called Fred rather than Frederick:

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO97%2F3070%2F007%2F001&parentid=GBM%2FWO97%2F3070%2F81057

The army record says his parents are Henry and Sarah and that he has siblings Walter and Ada.

This looks like the family in 1861 except mum is Eliza not Sarah:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8767/images/DBYRG9_2494_2495-0267?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=22343069

and this is that Fred's birth reg:

HOGG, FRED mmn STACEY
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 388

Time for a break....

[ElizabethHerts]

Merry, the online tree has Fred's parents as Henry Hogg and Eliza (Stacey), so it all ties up.



Ada was Mary Ada:

HOGG, MARY ADA STACEY
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 417


HOGG, ANN SARAH STACEY
GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 441

[ElizabethHerts]

Eliza has been married before.

Marriage to Henry Hogg:

First name(s) Henry
Last name Hogg
Marriage year 1852
Marriage date 23 Nov 1852
Marriage place Nottingham
Church St Mary
Denomination Anglican
Spouse's first name(s) Eliza
Spouse's last name Nicholson
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Record set Nottinghamshire Marriages Index 1528-1929
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain


Marriage to Bezaleel Nicholson:

First name(s) Eliza
Last name Stacey
Birth year 1821
Age 21
Residence Perter ST
Marriage year 1842
Marriage date 03 Oct 1842
Marriage place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Spouse's first name(s) Bezaleel
Spouse's last name Nicholson
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's residence Perter St
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Stacey
Spouse's father's first name(s) George
Spouse's father's last name Nicholson
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies
Archive reference PR-138-3-44
Event type Marriages
Event year range 1842
Page 190
Record set Yorkshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FYORKSHIRE%2FENGLYOR1D_PR-138-3-44%2F00194&parentid=GBPRS%2FYORKSHIRE%2FMAR%2F301967018%2F2