Eliza Edney born Stubbington

[Phoenix]

My tree has James Edney and Eliza, with many children including

Eliza Edney b 1837
George Edney b 1840

Here are the family with the two youngest children in 1851, in Stubbington Road, Crofton:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8860/images/HAMHO107_1661_1661-0563?pId=5839876


By 1861, George and his elder brother John are living at Stoners Farm Rowner, with Thomas and Mary Earwaker

In 1871, George has a complete family:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7619/images/HAMRG10_1147_1150-0376?pId=27315787


However, in 1861, Sarah was the young second wife of Henry Blackman, twenty years her senior.


All four children were registered with the surname Blackman, mmn Page


Henry and Sarah married just before the census:
Marriages Mar 1861 (>99%)
Blackman Henry Fareham
Page Sarah Fareham

[Phoenix]

Arthur and Harry are presumably Henry's boys, born before he died in 1864. Alfred and Caroline were both base born, so who the father was is anyone's guess.

George and Sara don't get round to tying the knot until 1873. Then it's in Portsmouth, not Stubbington where they are living, and it's a double wedding:

Marriages Mar 1873 (>99%)
Blackman Sarah Portsea Island 2b 616
EARWAKER Charles Portsea 2b 616
Edney Eliza Portsea 2b 616
Edney George Portsea 2b 616

[ElizabethHerts]

George appears to have married in 1873.
Also mentioned - Eliza Edney!

First name(s) George
Last name Edney
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1873
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ George Edney married one of these people Sarah Blackman, Eliza Edney
District Portsea Island
District number -
County Hampshire
Country England
Volume 2B
Volume as transcribed 2B
Page number 616
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, England

[ElizabethHerts]

First name(s) Eliza
Last name Edney
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1873
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ Eliza Edney married one of these people George Edney, Charles Earwaker
District Portsea Island
District number -
County Hampshire
Country England
Volume 2B
Volume as transcribed 2B
Page number 616
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, England

I wonder if it was a double wedding.

[ElizabethHerts]

Snap!

[Phoenix]

The obvious conclusion is that Eliza is George's sister, and that she has known the Earwaker family for years.

This is Charles Earwaker in 1871:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7619/images/HAMRG10_1134_1136-0420?pId=12989216

Sarah Jane b 1860 mmn Edney
Elizabet b 1864 mmn Edney
Henry Charles b 1862 ditto
Ellen b 1866

And here is the family in 1861: Charles, Eliza and baby Sara Jane:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8767/images/HAMRG9_643_644-0302?pId=7870392
Emily b 1869

I obviously need both marriages to prove the point, and Charles and/or George may have both been previously married, but does it seem reasonable that I am on the right lines, and they are brother and sister?

[ElizabethHerts]

Phoenix, look who I have in my tree:

EARWAKER, SARAH JANE EDNEY
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in ALVERSTOKE Volume 02B Page 409

She married John Frederick Purkis in 1881 at All Saints, Portsea.

Her father was Charles Earwaker!

[Phoenix]

One of my DNA matches has Charles and Eliza in their tree, but a different father for Eliza, obtained, I suspect, simply from trawling censuses and paying no attention to pob. Titchfield people might pop across to marry in Portsmouth, but I cannot imagine a Portsmouth native claiming to have been born in the sticks.

[Phoenix]

Phoenix, look who I have in my tree:

EARWAKER, SARAH JANE EDNEY
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in ALVERSTOKE Volume 02B Page 409

She married John Frederick Purkis in 1881 at All Saints, Portsea.

Her father was Charles Earwaker!

You are kidding!

Hello, distant cousin!

[ElizabethHerts]

You are kidding!

Hello, distant cousin!

Don't get too excited! John Frederick Purkis is my 2nd cousin 3 times removed!

I found Henry Charles and Elizabeth's birth registrations.

EARWAKER, HENRY CHARLES EDNEY
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 351

EARWAKER, ELIZABETH EDNEY
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 385

[Phoenix]

Okay, distant and by marriage. Still, it links both of us to Portsmouth!

[ElizabethHerts]

Okay, distant and by marriage. Still, it links both of us to Portsmouth!

Yes, my Purkis family (my Mum's maiden name) were very much Portsmouth based. John Frederick's great-grandfather is my 4x-great-grandfather.

[garstonite]

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However, in 1861, Sarah was the young second wife of Henry Blackman, twenty years her senior.
Geneanet has the marriage of Eliza Edney to THOMAS Blackman at St Marys church ,Portsea ?

is this a mistranscription - or did she marry 2 brothers ??
ADDED
Having checked that - Eliza would have been 13 at the marriage - so A DIFFERENT COUPLE - Apologies .. coincidence though ...lol

[ElizabethHerts]

The marriage between Thomas Blackman and Eliza Edney was in 1840.

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FPORTSMOUTH%2FMAR%2F00065292% 2F1

Her father was Stephen Edney.

[Phoenix]

Thanks, Elizabeth. I think that marriage is pure coincidence: while that Eliza is probably related to mine, the connection is likely to be a century earlier.