John horton

[benrymnd]

I wonder if anyone has access to the military records, I am looking for information on John Horton born in st helens lancs, in the early 1900's he was in the army and later trans to the royal flying corps and then to the RAF.Would like to know what he actually did in ww1 and if he was promoted.

[kiterunner]

We will need to read through your old thread about him, for a start:

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=29532

[Merry]

Is it the same man we looked at before?

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showthread.php?t=29532&highlight=john+horton+helens

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showthread.php?t=29973&highlight=john+horton+helens

[kiterunner]

Okay, in addition to what is on the other thread, Ancestry has a link through to his RAF record on Fold3:

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=BPu16550&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&dbid=61400&gsfn=john&gsln=horton&gsfn_x=1&gsln_x=1&cp=0&new=1&rank=1&uidh=vm5&redir=false&msT=1&gss=angs-d&pcat=39&fh=3&h=267928&recoff=&ml_rpos=4&queryId=fad46d1096cc1283ce80130198cd7316

Unfortunately my sub doesn't include Fold3 to look at it. It does give his service number 143202, which I don't think was on the other thread.

[kiterunner]

Also there is an entry in the National Archives' catalogue:

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C12399497

[kiterunner]

And here is his entry on Lives of the First World War:

https://livesofthefirstworldwar.iwm.org.uk/lifestory/6733818

[kiterunner]

I just realised that since Findmypast has introduced its "micropayments" system, you would be able to pay to view John Horton's RAF record on there without having to buy a subscription or credits that you don't want. If you haven't already got an account on Findmypast, you will need to make one, but you won't need a subscription. If you click on the link in post #5 above, then search for name John Horton and service number 143202, you should get one match. Click to view image (the icon on the far right) and then scroll down to the bottom where it says "Commitment shy? Buy the record on its own", and you should be able to pay £1 to view it.

[Janet]

John Horton in the UK, Royal Air Force Airmen Records, 1918-1940

Name: John Horton
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Birth Date: 1882
Service Date: 30 Jan 1915
Service Number: 143202
Spouse: A Horton
Next of Kin: A Horton
Relation to Airman: Wife

As mentioned in Kiterunner's post #4 above. I've PM'd you with more, benrymnd.

[Phoenix]

Note that military records won't really tell you what someone did. You can find out whether they were overseas or in the UK, if they were wounded or courtmartialled, but it is the war diaries that tell you what was happening.

[benrymnd]

Thanks everyone for your replies

[benrymnd]

When filling in the search form I fill in the name D O B & Marriage date where it says relation I leave blank and there ref to his regiment I put in royal flying corps but nothing shows. I know his details are in there some where as people on this site have found him and given me links to him but I just wanted to see if I could green anymore information by searching myself.

[Merry]

When filling in the search form

On which site?

From what you say in your last post, you may be entering far too much information. If you enter something that isn't included in the transcription of the record you won't get the record you are searching for. if you let us know which site you were using we may be able to give some more specific advice.

[Phoenix]

You can't view this directly on Ancestry, only on FMP.

His service number is 143202 and the records are: "British Royal Air Force, Airmen's Service Records 1912-1939"

[Merry]

On one of the other threads there's this post about his pre-WW1 service:

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showpost.php?p=398972&postcount=6

(Note that is from FMP too).

It doesn't look as if his WW1 army service record has survived. TheRAF record says he transferred from the army, but doesn't give his army service number, which would be different to the pre-WW1 service number.

[benrymnd]

thanks for your replies I am using ancestry

[kiterunner]

Okay, so to find the record on Ancestry, you need to go to Search > Card Catalogue (where it says Search right at the top of the screen, next to Trees), type in Airmen in the Title field and click the Search button. You should get two results. Click on the one which says UK, Royal Air Force Airmen Records, 1918-1940. Untick the "Match all terms exactly" box and put in the name and year and place of birth. Click the Search button and you should get 8 results. He is the first one. (Year of birth is shown as 1882 which is why I said untick the exact search box.) But when you click to view, it will only show you the transcription of the record, because the image is on Fold3, as has been explained before.

[benrymnd]

Thanks again Kiterunner I suspect the reason for his army record not showing is because he left the army before 1911 as he show as working at Bibby's copper works in St Helens.