They look the same but ...

[Kit]

I'm trying to locate Samuel Gage and his wife Sophia on the 1841 and 1851 census. They have a daughter Harriet born aboyt 1832 in Bromley Essex.

I found them on the 1841:
HO107; Piece 338; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 4; Page: 3.

They also have a daughter Sophia aged 15 and son William aged 12. The address seems to be Hair Green.

This is them on the 1851:
Class: HO107; Piece: 1780; Folio: 467; Page: 12

I think the address is also Hair Green, although it is hard to read.

My problem is that Sophia and William have turned into twin boys John and James aged 22. Which makes them the same age as William in 1841.

Harriet is a servant and living elsewhere in 1851. She married Elijah Hines in 1852 and they immigrate to Australia in 1855.

Thoughts anyone?

[ElizabethHerts]

Here's Harriet in 1851:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1780 Folio: 481 Page: 4

Civil Parish: Great Bromley Municipal Borough:
Address: Mill House, Great Bromley County: Essex

Off to Pilates, so I expect it will be sorted by the time I'm back!

[kiterunner]

The address looks like Hare Green in 1851 but I should think it's the same place.

[kiterunner]

There's one of those "I" batches on the IGI for Great Bromley, but it's only girls, so that doesn't really help.

[kiterunner]

There is a Jas Gage, ag lab age 13, at Horsley Cross Road, Mistley, Essex, in 1841:
Piece 338 Book 20 Enumeration District 4 Folio 28 Page 21

Sophia Gage married John Wright Apr-Jun 1845 Tendring district and she is with him in Rotherhithe, Surrey in 1851:
Piece: 1583; Folio: 36; Page: 65;

[ElizabethHerts]

It looks as though Samuel and Sophia also had a daughter called Sarah:

On FreeReg:
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=5291041

[ElizabethHerts]

Is this their marriage?

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=1666017

[ElizabethHerts]

Sophia's Burial?


Sophia Gage
Date of burial: 18 Oct 1866
Age: 72
Probable year of birth 1794
Place of burial: St George Great Bromley Essex

[ElizabethHerts]

Samuel's burial?


Samuel GAGE
Date of burial: 12 Jan 1869
Age: 76
Probable year of birth: 1793
Place of burial: St George Great Bromley Essex

[ElizabethHerts]

Sophia appears in this tree:

http://www.raylong.plus.com/monique/d345.html

[ElizabethHerts]

Is the Sarah Cole in the 1841 census with two children and living with them their daughter?


Perhaps - FreeBMD

September 1837 - Ipswich - Marriages
Martha Bloomfield
John Keningdale Cole
John Cooper
Sarah Gage
Elizabeth Smyth
Robert Scrutton Soar
Elizabeth Power Stephenson

[Margaret in Burton]

Sophia appears in this tree:

http://www.raylong.plus.com/monique/d345.html

Ray Long unfortunately passed away last year or the year before. I had contact with him through the Cosford database. I don't know if anyone has taken it over.

[Margaret in Burton]

I'm trying to locate Samuel Gage and his wife Sophia on the 1841 and 1851 census. They have a daughter Harriet born aboyt 1832 in Bromley Essex.

I found them on the 1841:
HO107; Piece 338; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 4; Page: 3.

They also have a daughter Sophia aged 15 and son William aged 12. The address seems to be Hair Green.

This is them on the 1851:
Class: HO107; Piece: 1780; Folio: 467; Page: 12

I think the address is also Hair Green, although it is hard to read.

My problem is that Sophia and William have turned into twin boys John and James aged 22. Which makes them the same age as William in 1841.

Harriet is a servant and living elsewhere in 1851. She married Elijah Hines in 1852 and they immigrate to Australia in 1855.

Thoughts anyone?

Could this be anything to do with ages being rounded down in 1841?

[kiterunner]

William's age on the 1841 is 12, so it doesn't appear to be rounded down. But William could be John. You would need to look at the baptism register to find out all of Samuel and Sophia's children.

[Kit]

It looks as though Samuel and Sophia also had a daughter called Sarah:

On FreeReg:
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=5291041

I always forget freereg. :( Thanks for that.

Is this their marriage?

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=1666017

I think so. I found the actual parish register online. Essex have some scanned and on line for free. I can't find Sophia Hiskey on it though. I had a quick look at the tree you suggested and he says 1793 she was baptised. I can't find it but did find many of her potential siblings. :eek:

Could this be anything to do with ages being rounded down in 1841?

I thought that but aren't under 15's not rounded?

William's age on the 1841 is 12, so it doesn't appear to be rounded down. But William could be John. You would need to look at the baptism register to find out all of Samuel and Sophia's children.

Yes. Sadly Great Bromley aren't online yet so it may take a while.