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Anstey Nomad
04-10-21, 16:03
On 19 May 1851, Joseph Noon Bodycote, 22, bachelor, FWK of Denman Street Leicester, son of Joseph Bodycote, FWK married Harriet Carter, 20, spinster of Russell Street Leicester, daughter of William Carter, FWK, probably at St Margaret's.
Joseph Snr (Gawd bless him) was a witness to his son’s marriage.
Joseph Jnr subsequently emigrated to the US and married another twice, seemingly without troubling to obtain a divorce (or two). Wife #2 (Mary) actually put a notice in the Philadelphia Inquirer in 1863 warning Magistrates not to marry him because he already had two wives living, but she was too late because he had married Rebecca Ballard in Fayette Illinois in the February!
Joseph and Rebecca stayed married until his death in 1904 and had seven children, so he got it right in the end.
However, what happened to Harriett? I think he left her behind, but I can't prove it. I can see her on the 1851, but I can't figure out what happened next.
Anybody?
kiterunner
04-10-21, 16:29
Where is she in 1851, please?
She's in Russell Street:
William Carter Head
Married Male 57 1794 Frame work knitter Thurlaston, Leicestershire, England
Elizabeth Carter Wife
Married Female 56 1795 Frame work knitter Enderby, Leicestershire, England
Harriett Carter Daughter
Married Female 19 1832 Frame work knitter Leicestershire, England
William Carter Son
Unmarried Male 17 1834 Brick yard lab Leicestershire, England
Eliza Carter Daughter
Unmarried Female 14 1837 - Leicestershire, England
Thomas Bowler Lodger
Widower Male 67 1784 Framework knitter greenwich pensioner Derbyshire, England
And yes, the original is anticipating her marriage.
kiterunner
04-10-21, 16:40
There is a Harriet Bodycoat death Jan-Mar 1861 Barrow on Soar district, age 38.
Anstey Nomad
05-10-21, 08:17
Thanks Phoenix.
I can’t find the one who died in Barrow on Soar District on the 1861 Census, so I guess she may have died earlier in the Quarter, which doesn’t help, although the age is out by a good bit.
The 1861 census was taken 7 Apr so after the end of Q1.
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showthread.php?t=41
The 1861 burial was 28 Feb 1861 at Christ Church, Mountsorrel, Leicestershire
There's a John B in Mountsorrel in 1861, widower, aged 42 and a possible marriage between a JB and Harriet Holmes in 1851 Barrow district which may be the Harriet who died in 1861.
Unhelpful that JNB says he emigrated in 1846! lol (1900 census)
I take it he didn't have children with Harriet? (or at least not in England?) I did start looking, but the site crashed after I'd done the first five years from their marriage (no matches).
When and where did he marry Mary?
Pity her surname is so common. I wouldn't mind betting she shacked up with someone else and the only way you'd find her would be tracing children with mmn Carter born in Leicester.
Pity her surname is so common. I wouldn't mind betting she shacked up with someone else and the only way you'd find her would be tracing children with mmn Carter born in Leicester.
Unless she went to the states with him.
I imagined either he or both left England soon after the marriage as there were no children registered here.
I suppose the question is "How did wife 2 know about wife 1?"
I imagined that it was thrown up in course of argument: "I should have stayed back in England with a wife who loved me"style of complaint. Had Harriet been in the vicinity, she would have had something to say, and the law on her side, even if impotent.
Who is the Joseph Bodycote fwk of Denman Street who gets a £50 loan in 1855 (subject to enquiry)? Is that loan to enable him to emigrate? It's from Sir Thomas White's and Parker and Heyricks charities.
Damn, no, he appears to be aged 67.
Anstey Nomad
05-10-21, 11:27
The Joseph from 67 Denman Street who takes the loan is Joseph Noon Bodycote's father, the old rogue himself, who seems to have spent the money on one way tickets to Philadelphia for himself and his 'partner', Charlotte Noon, and then died within eighteen months (threads passim).
Trying to tie up some of the loose ends is prompted by randomly connecting with the descendants of the man Charlotte shacked up with after Joseph's death.
Re marriages, JNB married Harriett in 1851 in Leicester and Rebecca in Fayette County, Illinois in February 1863. Mary's notice in the paper didn't appear until July 1863, so that horse may have bolted, so to speak. My question would be, which are the two wives she is talking about? Herself and Harriett, or herself and Rebecca?
So do you have a marriage for Mary? And does she suggest she is number one or number two? There are some men who find it easier just to marry the woman. (One of Best Mates relations was deceived into a bigamous marriage, when all the man wanted was a quick armful) He mght be committing more than trigamy!
If she describes two wives as living, she must have something to support the claim.
I see Joseph doesn't have any wives in tow on the US 1860 census (just him and his mum!).
Having just read the notice placed by wife Mary, I'd say she means she is wife 1 and Rebecca is wife 2.
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/13370903/notice-of-bigamy-joseph-bodycote/
I see Charlotte and Joseph arrived in the US 13 Nov 1855 at Philadelphia on the ship Tonawanda.
So, in that case, I agree with Phoenix about Harriet staying in England and living with someone. Tricky, as Phoenix said!
The Joseph from 67 Denman Street who takes the loan is Joseph Noon Bodycote's father, the old rogue himself, who seems to have spent the money on one way tickets to Philadelphia for himself and his 'partner', Charlotte Noon, and then died within eighteen months (threads passim).
Oh, did Charlotte travel with her partner and Joseph jr at a different time? I had assumed that was mother and son on the ship, given it's mother and son on the 1860 census, but as you say Js senr died before 1860.......
lol I've just seen that Jos senr was 46 in 1855!!
Anstey Nomad
05-10-21, 15:31
Joseph Senior died in January 1857 in Philadelphia.
His age at that point is up for discussion. Everyone thinks he was born on 21 April 1799, which would make him coming up for 58, but his army record says he was 19 in October 1813, which would push his DOB back to 1794 and make him 63-ish at the time of his death.
I'd assumed the passenger list was Joseph Senior and Charlotte. On one of the censuses, Joseph Junior says he emigrated in 1846, but if he did, he came back to the UK before 1851 and then presumably went again. There does seem to be a certain amount of backwards and forwards traffic in another branch of the family, which did surprise me.
Was Jos senr married to someone else before he got together with Charlotte?
kiterunner
05-10-21, 16:00
There is this old thread about them (I haven't re-read through it yet):
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=20615
kiterunner
05-10-21, 16:02
Also this one:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=14373
this one:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=10643
this one:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=10388
and maybe others.
kiterunner
05-10-21, 16:03
I generally ignore the immigration dates on US censuses because they are not very accurate.
I generally ignore the immigration dates on US censuses because they are not very accurate.
Yes, he was thinking back arounf 50 years so not surprising if he was a few years out.
kiterunner
05-10-21, 18:59
Re post #3, 1851 census, the birthplace for Harriet is actually given as Leicester on the image, probably meaning the city of Leicester.
Getting back to Harriet....
There's this couple in Liverpool in 1861:
42 Lambert Street, Liverpool
Richard Lewty head m 32 cab driver b Yorkshire Bradford
Harriet Lewty wife m 29 b Leicestershire Leicester
No children. No marriage.
There are some trees that have associated Richard with some children called Roach, but the census pages are mixed up on Ancestry (the two pages with Richard and Harriet are not next to each other, but they are by schedule number and address). The Roach children are a different household!
This seems to be Richard's baptism:
Richard Lewty
b 26 Feb 1828 bap 2 May 1828 at Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral) parents John (servant) and Mary
In 1871 Richard is back at home with his father:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7619/images/WRYRG10_4486_4490-0063?pId=26055712
and he is unmarried. It looks like he marries Mary Walker in 1872 and he is a bachelor:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2253/images/33069_256643-00165?pId=10880389
So, there's a slim chance Harriet is Harriet Carter. Unfortunately I can't find anything to indicate that Richard and Harriet had any children.
And I don't know what happens to this Harriet after 1861 either!
It's possible Harriet, partner of Richard Lewty, did move back to Bradford with him and was still in a relationship with him in 1866.
There's a newspaper report (Leeds Times 08 September 1866) of a Miss Ellen Rainbow (weaver) bringing a charge against Mrs Harriet Lewty (weaver) in the Bradford Borough Court for having falsy charged her with being too intimate with her (unnamed) husband.
Of course this may not be the right Harriet Lewty, or Harriet Carter, but I can't find another HL in the Bradford area, except for a Miss Harriet Lewty, b 1840 dau of Robert Lewty, blacksmith, who married in 1867 in Bradford (became Mrs John Poole) and so doesn't easily fit the newspaper report.
Interestingly, Ellen Rainbow (if I'm looking at the right person in 1871, b 1840 living in Bradford, a worsted weaver) was born in Leicester!
Blimey....there’s Bodycotes all over the place.
When Harriet Carter's brother marries in May 1855 St Marg's Leicester, one of the witnesses is Harriet Noon. There are other Harriet Noon's around, though those in Leicester are probably a bit young to be witnesses when we have a more obvious candidate.
Anstey Nomad
07-10-21, 08:58
For the record, Joseph Snr's wife was Elizabeth Beckwith, born c1803 Madras, died in Leicester Workhouse 1884. She's on all the censuses up to 1881 and her information is consistent.
Loadsa Bodycotes Libby and all ultimately connected, but I just haven't the strength.
Thank you Merry for all your suggestions and for highlighting what might be another pattern of migration. The fact that Harriet Lewty didn't have any children may be the clincher as it seems JNB and Harriet didn't have any either.
Yes, I thought that about the no children thing for Harriet. Richard Lewty had at least 2 children once he was with Mary Walker. He died after 6 years of marriage.
Blimey....there’s Bodycotes all over the place.
The rest of my post didn’t seem to post. Maybe I deleted it accidentally.
Is there any connection the Aussie Bodycotes? There are quite a few mentioned in Trove.
The rest of my post didn’t seem to post. Maybe I deleted it accidentally.
Is there any connection the Aussie Bodycotes? There are quite a few mentioned in Trove.
Nooooo. I already cringed when I saw the original post. Don't let them down here too.
Anstey Nomad
11-10-21, 14:57
I wouldn't want to worry anyone in the NSW area, but there are Bodycote descendants in Toowomba ...
I wouldn't want to worry anyone in the NSW area, but there are Bodycote descendants in Toowomba ...
Toowoomba is in Qld about an hour up the road from me. Lol
I found a lot in pockets of NSW though.
I sent you a link on Messenger Anstey. I hope it goes to the page, but it’s the Bodycotes in Australia on Find a Grave. You may already have it.
I see Joseph doesn't have any wives in tow on the US 1860 census (just him and his mum!).
Having just read the notice placed by wife Mary, I'd say she means she is wife 1 and Rebecca is wife 2.
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/13370903/notice-of-bigamy-joseph-bodycote/
I have changed my mind now that I've seen Joseph didn't marry Rebecca until 1865 (admittedly, only a transcription!). So when Mary placed the newspaper notice she must (presumably) have found out about Harriet in England. Unless, of course, there is yet another marriage we are not aware of!
kiterunner
13-10-21, 09:39
We don't know whether Harriet was in England or the US, though, do we?
Not for sure, no.
I don't think we have a passenger list for Samuel jr, only for his parents. He married here in 1851, no children, then appears in the US with his widowed mother in 1860.
Oh and Harriet was (probably) a witness as a wedding in England in May 1855.
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