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Hi I am searching ,for a elizabeth parmley who married abraham Govan at st ninians 1934 , I believe she was born in the north east of england . I have found a elizabeth Jane Parmley age age 7 in 1911 census says born in Hexham . i'm trying to link her to the elizabeth who married Abraham . Any help would be gratefully appreciated . thanks
kiterunner
16-09-21, 17:12
If you buy some credits on Scotland's People, you will be able to view their marriage certificate to get details such as the names of Elizabeth's parents. Then it will be easier to look for her birth.
kiterunner
16-09-21, 17:26
There are several trees on Ancestry which say that the Elizabeth who married Abraham Govan was born 1916, the daughter of William Milburn Parmley and Margaret Jane Tait. Scotland's People has a death of Elizabeth Parmley in 1991 in Stirling, MMN Tait, other surname Govan, age 75. So that all fits together.
kiterunner
16-09-21, 17:29
There is an Elizabeth Parmley birth on Scotland's People in 1915 in Kirkintilloch registration district but since they don't show MMN on the birth index, no way of knowing whether it's the right one unless you use credits to view the birth cert.
hi Kiterunner , Yes the stirling connection fits , as i believe abraham and elizabeth lived there as i know there children were born around the stirling area . I think they had quite a few children . one of which is related to one of my family I was trying to look at the parmley family . I know my relative did mention Newcastle or that area of birth . so the one you have mentioned mother's maiden name tait could be the right one .thanks
i'm afraid i'm not ancestry ,so can't see the trees . I've tried to search for a marriage of william and margeret but as yet haven't found it .
Hi I found the marriage of margeret and. william in 1900 in Blantyre south lanark .
So elizabeth parmleys birth could be the one born in kiirkintilloch
there's a birth 1876 in haltwhistle Northumberland for william milburn palmley , coukd this be him ,
there's quite a few Margeret jane Taits in northumberland . I have a look at one of the ancestry trees for the birth in amble , but don't think that's the correct one .
You could use Scotlands People to find the death of Margaret Tait/Palmley to establish her age and mmn. (like Kate did in post #3 for Elizabeth Parmley/Govan/Tait).
Plus, you could buy some SP crdits and look at the entries which would give you further information to hep you pick up the right people.
hi i checked for deaths between There's a elizabeth parmley died 1940 age 72 and a child death age 4 in 1901
And what happened when you tried alternative surnames for Elizabeth d 1940 aged 72 Milton? Also, wouldn't her name be Margaret?
Hi ,Im sorry Merry my head is scrambled .we are getting ready to move next week and it has been one of the most stressful things i've done. I'll be glad to get settled near the sea . yes you are right I will do That . Thanks
hi Merry there's a margeret jane age 1 died in 1903 , could be their daughter ? i'll keep searching . thanks
hi Kiterunner , I was wondering if you can do me a big favour ? in post 3 you say there are a few trees regarding elizabeth palmley who married abraham govan and whose father was william milburn Palmley and mother margeret tait . Could you possibly do a sceen shot showing their descendents when you have time . I'm not a member of ancestry so can't see that without joining .Im having trouble with scotlands people ,i paid my money for credits , but it's not letting use the system . so i'm getting nowhere . thanks
There are quite a few trees with the children of Elizabeth and Abraham included (maximum shows seven children), however, most of them are recorded as Private, suggesting they are still living.
These two are on several of the trees:
GOVAN HUGH 73 PARMLEY 2008 473/ 152 Stirling
GOVAN REGINALD FOSTER 63 PARMLEY 2012 473/ 19 Stirling
There's another who appears on several trees who is supposed to have died in Dec 2017, but I've not managed to confirm the death of that one.
yes they are part of my relatives family i recognise the names .thanks
the death in 2017 is my son in laws father he died suddenly in spain where he lived . .
those two mentioned are definitely his brothers .
Oh well no wonder then. Pity none of the tree owners recorded a place of death for him.
kiterunner
13-02-22, 09:30
hi Kiterunner , I was wondering if you can do me a big favour ? in post 3 you say there are a few trees regarding elizabeth palmley who married abraham govan and whose father was william milburn Palmley and mother margeret tait . Could you possibly do a sceen shot showing their descendents when you have time . I'm not a member of ancestry so can't see that without joining .Im having trouble with scotlands people ,i paid my money for credits , but it's not letting use the system . so i'm getting nowhere . thanks
Sorry, no. I don't do that kind of thing.
no worrys thanks anyway .
hi Kiterunner Post 4 . I did look at the birth you mentioned in this post and used credits to see , and i think this is our elizabeth born in 1915 to william parmley and margeret jane parmley underneath signed M S or J tait . william was a coal miner in the private 1st battalion kings own scottish borderers . i have been spelling his name as palmley ,i've also seen the marriage certificate of elizabeth and abraham govan and the name is spelled parmley as much as i can see as the writing isnt that clear . i will now check the burial records .thanks
kiterunner
25-05-22, 09:19
It will be M S = Maiden Surname, not a signature. Spellings of names used to vary.
I have just checked the marriage of william parmley and margeret tate . married in blantyre 1900 he was a coal miner she was a domestic servant , williams father milburn parmley and mother hannah parmley smith . Margeret s father john tait . .
yes your right kiterunner . about the signature . If gives me more info into the parmley as it's my son in laws ancestors and he said he's not interested in the govan side of the family as yet . So do you think Milton would have been born in northumberland ?
kiterunner
25-05-22, 09:43
Sorry, who is Milton?
sorry kite it should be milburn not milton lol
kiterunner
25-05-22, 09:51
We need to find the marriage of Milburn Parmley and Hannah, and look for them on censuses, to get more information about Milburn, not just guess where he might have been born.
Marital Status Sex Age Occupation Birth County Birth Place Disability Notes
PARMLEY William Head M M 39 Cabinet Maker Durham Middleton Teesdale
PARMLEY Dorothy A Wife M F 35 Durham Middleton Teesdale
PARMLEY Hannah M Dau - F 10 Durham Sunderland
the person found in your search PARMLEY William Son - M 5
hi i miss sorry i don't think that's him , i've not looked closely at it his wife i'd ps wrong anyway .I can't get on family search through a error and i'm not a member of ancestry .
i have just viewed the 1911 census with william parmley and margeret jane . they are living in Blantyre with a few more children hannah 6 margeret Jane age 3 and john 6 months . the children were born in blantyre but there births just says england . i haven't managed to find a birth for either of them as my resources are limited .
so williams birth approx 1878 and margeret 1880
the children were born in blantyre but there births just says england
If the records say born in England then how do you know they were born in Blantyre?
kiterunner
25-05-22, 16:06
They also had a daughter Margaret Ann born 1901 Blantyre and died 1903 age 1. (From Scotland's People). I can't find them on the 1901 census to see birthplaces.
FamilySearch has a family on the 1881 census at Benwell, Northumberland:
Milburn Parmley age 50 head born Alston, Cumberland, married, miner
Hannah Parnsley age 47 wife born Alston, Cumberland, married
Jane Parnsley age 18 daughter born Alston, Cumberland, single, daughter.
Jane Parmley's birth is on the GRO site, 1862 Alston, MMN Smith.
I have no idea what FamilySearch has done with the rest of the household, but this is my transcription from Ancestry:
Jacob Parmley Son 13 Scholar Cumberland Alston
Richard Do Do 10 Do Do Do
John Do Do 9 Do Do Do
Mary H Do Daur 4 Do Northd Haltwhistle
William M Do Son 4 Do Do Do.
I could understand if FamilySearch had lost the whole page, but Jane is at the top of the page!
On FreeBMD you will see birth registrations for Mary Hannah Parmley and William Milburn Parmley, Oct-Dec 1876 Haltwhistle, vol 10b p 329. The GRO site gives mother's maiden name as Smith.
kiterunner
25-05-22, 16:06
If the records say born in England then how do you know they were born in Blantyre?
I think she means the children were born in Blantyre and the parents were born in England, Merry.
spot on merry ,i have nearly spent all my credits on scotland's people , but have got a lot of info . so it was worth it
sorry kite thanks for the great work .
I think she means the children were born in Blantyre and the parents were born in England, Merry.
Oh ok, thanks.
hi i had a look at the family tree including milburn parmley , it's quite extensive . but i will have to check the info as there's a lot of children on the parmley side it could take me ages . but it's quite informative . which is great .
Hi all, I am now searching for the birth of margeret jane tait , father john MMN Burns in approx 1880 .all i know she was born in england from the 1911 census . i can't use family search and ancestry and can't find her with family on free cen . So has anyone any ideas ?
ElizabethHerts
27-05-22, 07:50
Use the GRO index. It's free so you can search yourself.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
And if the GRO site isn't working for you because you need a replacement/fixed ipad, have you looked for her on the 1881 census?
In an earlier post it sounds like you have seen her marriage in 1900 so, assuming it was a Scottish one, you should have her mother's first name as well as the maiden surname Burns.
Post #28. Also John's occupation.
hi yes i looked on free cen for her but nothing for her . I think her mother's name was margeret . yes i saw the marriage cert on scotlands people , . and the 1911'census just says birth England no area .
sorry merry occupation of john newer coal miner .
That's probably hewer not newer!
Here's the birth registration:
TAIT, MARGARET JANE BURN
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in ALNWICK Volume 10B Page 343
there's a marriage free BMD in 1879 for a john tait tynemouth, but i can't see who he married ?
In 1881 they are spelled Tate.
John 27 coal miner b Northd Lyme
Marg 24 b Northd Lyme
Marg J 4 months
Living in Victoria St, Amble, Northd.
Also in the house are two boarders: Alexander Tate 20 unm and Andrew Tate 4, born b Northd. Could be relations.
there's a marriage free BMD in 1879 for a john tait tynemouth, but i can't see who he married ?
What happens when you click the page number?
when i press page it comes up with people on the same page number .
On the 1900 marriage record did it say either of Margaret's parents were dec'd?
when i press page it comes up with people on the same page number .
Yes, so those are the other people who were on the same page of the marriage register. There should be an equal number of male and female names. After the 1850s there would normally be either two of four names showing. You can't tell from this index who married who (unless there are only two names), but are either of the women (assuming two) the person you are looking for?
no it doesn't say deceased.
the names i can see on free cen when i click on page are three men and two women , but four of the names are the same area one isn't . do they fit as spouses for the ones showing ? if so i can check and look for a burns ?
Thanks.
And what about the brides in 1879?
kiterunner
27-05-22, 09:18
When you search for the marriage on FreeBMD, you can put in both people's names. But remember the bride's surname is Burn, not Burns.
If you have any credits left for SP you should perhaps look at this census page in Blantyre:
Household Members Age Relationship
John Tait 48 Head
Margret Tait 44 Wife
Margret Jane Scott 21 Daur (Daughter)
Andrew Scott 10 Son
William Scott 23 Son-in-law
John Thomson 24 Boarder
Clearly something is amiss! At first I thought there was another family with too many similarities, but I think it's probably your family with some errors. If Andrew was a son and surname Scott and aged 10 who are his parents?
TAIT, ANDREW BURN
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 56
sorry merry , i've been minding my granchilden , and it was all hands on deck i used up all my credits searching the other day . but got a lot of info , thanks for the info .
hi merry were the tates in blantyre on the census you showed Me ? thanks
i put the surname burns in the searches as that is how it was spelled on the marriage certificate . obviously mpnames can change etc .
So have you found the marriage of John Tait and Margaret Burn now?
i think i have found them in 1892 Marriage newcastle . john tait and jane ann burn .
kiterunner
27-05-22, 14:41
Isn't the bride's name Margaret? So it is more likely to be this one (from FreeBMD):
Marriages Mar 1878
BURN Margaret Glendale 10b 421
HERON Patience Glendale 10b 421
MOOR William Glendale 10b 421
TAIT John Glendale 10b 421
yes that marriage seems good as they have a four month old baby in amble in 1881 .
hi in post 66 there is a census john tait margeret tait. with daughter and son in law. scott's is it the 1901 census and was it in england or scotland . i am considering purchasing more credits for Scotlands people? thanks
I said: If you have any credits left for SP you should perhaps look at this census page in Blantyre:
So it's in Scotland.
I wouldn't suggest you use SP credits for a census record that was for England!!!
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