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Does anyone know if a child died on the way from England to Australia in 1855, would there be a death certificate anywhere?
There’s not one in Australia, even though his name is on a headstone with his brother who died here.
I have looked through the UK ones as much as I can but can’t find him and presume his death would not have been recorded in UK anyway.
Just wondering if there is a list of those who died at sea anywhere.
There's deaths at sea on FMP. What's the child's name?
Oh, forget that - they don't start early enough :(
Having said that, the GRO Marine Death Indices start before 1855, but I'm not sure exactly what sort of deaths are included on that one. Anyway, happy to look if you need it.
Mary from Italy
29-08-21, 22:17
I believe that deaths at sea were supposed to be registered at the next port, but I have no idea whether that actually happened.
Thanks. He’s Simeon James Huband, aged 3, son of James (John James) Huband and his wife Emma Née Ruby.
I couldn't find anything, but a lot of people have this on Ancestry trees:
12 Oct 1855 Sulawesi Tengah, Indonesia
I couldn't see that anyone had a source for this information.
BTW, he wasn't aged 3 as his birth was registered in Q1 1855. Some people have birth info: 13 Jan 1855 Stonehouse, Devon, but again, no source recorded.
maggie_4_7
30-08-21, 09:02
I believe that deaths at sea were supposed to be registered at the next port, but I have no idea whether that actually happened.
It did because I have a couple of children that were but it was probably sporadic.
Edit:
One of them I have is:
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1779&h=5488626&ssrc=pt&tid=1310698&pid=6016990908&usePUB=true
But he died at sea aboard the Whirlwind. Scarletina was the cause of death.
maggie_4_7
30-08-21, 09:10
I couldn't find anything, but a lot of people have this on Ancestry trees:
12 Oct 1855 Sulawesi Tengah, Indonesia
I couldn't see that anyone had a source for this information.
BTW, he wasn't aged 3 as his birth was registered in Q1 1855. Some people have birth info: 13 Jan 1855 Stonehouse, Devon, but again, no source recorded.
Merry
The one I have posted above who is part of my Sayer family registered in Tasmania but on some trees they have exactly that too, Sulawesi Tengah, Indonesia no idea where this is sourced from. I think I checked the ship's manifesto (not on Ancestry) of course I have forgotten to cite it, rule number 1 broken there :rolleyes:
The ships passenger list might have him named as having died enroute.
Have a distant twig with a child dying on board the Gala on route to either Australia or New Zealand c1850's
I couldn't find anything, but a lot of people have this on Ancestry trees:
12 Oct 1855 Sulawesi Tengah, Indonesia
I couldn't see that anyone had a source for this information.
BTW, he wasn't aged 3 as his birth was registered in Q1 1855. Some people have birth info: 13 Jan 1855 Stonehouse, Devon, but again, no source recorded.
I have checked my Indonesian discs, and there is no entry in the deaths for Simeon James Huband in 1855 in Sulawesi, or Celebes as it was then. Plus the ship would have had to have made a really big detour to get there!
I have an infant who died at sea en route to Fremantle WA, whose details appear both in the Deaths at Sea Register and on the Australian Deaths Index...there is a reg number which can presumably use to apply for a death certificate....but that was in 1886
I presume the Huband family is that on the 'Conrad' which arrived at Moreton Bay Nov 1855. Trove mentions there were 12 infant deaths during the passage although names and cause of deaths is not mentioned.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/3715929?searchTerm=immigrant%20ship%20conrad%20%20 deaths
I looked to see if the route taken was mentioned but so far have been unable to discover it - only ports of departure and arrival.
Sorry, I meant to put 3 months as his age. That is from his headstone. Simeon’s younger brother William was born in 1857 in Australia and died at 17 days. The local cemetery has a headstone for William’s grave and Simeon is remembered on it as well. I am thinking three months is correct as his father would have made the headstone I’m presuming.
His birth was registered in Q1 so if he did die in October his age would have to be more than three months. The dates in my previous post would suggest 9 months, but I did wonder if the stone could say 8 months, but it now looks like 3 because of wear and tear? Do you know the dates of the sailing?
Oh, I see Macbev says the ship arrived in Nov. She sailed from Plymouth on 28 Jun.
Why does the passenger list have "Wednesday morning(?) 9 April" written in the corner of the first page?
I have them arriving on the Conrad in 1855. I also have Simeon born in March 1855, but no idea where I got that from and presume it was just added from the Q1. I don’t really need to get the birth cert as I have other certs I’d rather buy.
It was more the death certificate just to see why he died, but presume it was one of the infant illnesses prevalent at the time.
Sorry I'm no help. My death at sea was documented but not with a certificate. His wife took over his Govt job so it was talked about.
I have a birth cert from NSW of a child born at sea on the way over about the same time.
maggie_4_7
03-09-21, 16:05
Thanks. He’s Simeon James Huband, aged 3, son of James (John James) Huband and his wife Emma Née Ruby.
Do you know the ship's name?
I believe Conrad.
That’s for the death.
The birth at sea was on the Arrogant. That was an Ariel. I have that.
maggie_4_7
04-09-21, 07:46
Thanks. He’s Simeon James Huband, aged 3, son of James (John James) Huband and his wife Emma Née Ruby.
I assume you have seen this.
Well they are definitely on the Conrad no mention of children. They are very young.
https://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?Page=NRS5316/4_4792/Conrad_15%20Nov%201855/4_479200360.jpg&No=3
maggie_4_7
04-09-21, 07:49
I believe that deaths at sea were supposed to be registered at the next port, but I have no idea whether that actually happened.
Some were already doing this but it wasn't mandatory until 1856.
maggie_4_7
04-09-21, 13:32
I couldn't find anything, but a lot of people have this on Ancestry trees:
12 Oct 1855 Sulawesi Tengah, Indonesia
I couldn't see that anyone had a source for this information.
BTW, he wasn't aged 3 as his birth was registered in Q1 1855. Some people have birth info: 13 Jan 1855 Stonehouse, Devon, but again, no source recorded.
Just found this thread on the Ancestry message boards and it sounds plausible considering there are so many with Sulawesi Tengah, Indonesia for lost at sea etc :D
https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.brumback/65.1?viewType=FLAT_VIEW
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