Hard to read need help

[maggie_4_7]

On the 5th line down where it has uncle David Bain and underneath is 39th Street Chicago but if you read along it has ? James Craig can anyone read the address below James Craig and if that first word says uncle?

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/8745/images/MAT843_155-0913?pId=2856172

[kiterunner]

Yes, it looks like "uncle". Still trying to figure the rest out though.

[Merry]

Is it Jasonville, Indiana?

[Merry]

1910 census:

James Craig parents Robert, Maggie, living at Jasonville, Greene, Indiana, b 1904 in Scotland, relationship Son

[Merry]

Seems a bit young lol but a big coincidence for the name/place.

[kiterunner]

Is it Jasonville, Indiana?

I was just going to post that, but you got there first!

[maggie_4_7]

Thank you Merry and Kiterunner sorry I had to go off and do something.

Okay then it may be Jacksonville, Indiana, there is word after that.

Do you think it goes with the David Bain bit.?

That is the second page, back one page and it is James Torrance Wilson I am interested in who went to USA in Sep1910 and I lost him. David Bain is definitely his uncle but never heard of James Craig. I have David and his family on 1910 and 1920 not with David in 1920 or any of the married children and too late for 1910 but David isn't in Chicago on the 1910 he is in Nebraska. No paperwork for inn etween 1910 and 1920.

[maggie_4_7]

1910 census:

James Craig parents Robert, Maggie,, living at Jasonville, Greene, Indiana, b 1904 in Scotland, relationship Son

Oh didn't see this post I looked at that one I wil go and look again, Craig means nothing to me but I will look at Maggie.

[maggie_4_7]

Just looked at the image again and I think you are both right because the last word(s) could be Greene County.

[Janet]

Jasonville, Indiana is 30 miles outside of Terre Haute.

It's just barely in Greene County. If you search 'Greene County, IN' in Google Maps it shows you the outline of the county with Jasonville in the northwest corner and Scotland on the southern border, with Burns City south of that in another county. I love it!

My reading:

Name no. 3 on image 912
Wilson, James, age 21, male, single, miner, reads, writes, nationality Scotland, race or people Scotch [sic], last permanent residence Scotland, Irvine, nearest relative there (Father) James Wilson, 7 West Rd., Irvine, final destination Indiana, Terre Haute [Terre Haute has a line drawn through it]

Name no. 3 continues on image 913
Has ticket to final destination? no, passage paid by self, has $50 or not, yes $50, ever before in U.S.? no, going to Uncle David Bain, W. 39th St., Chicago, Uncle James Craig, Jasonville, Indiana, Greene County, height 6', complexion Medium, hair Dark, eyes Blue, marks of identification nil, place of birth Scotland, Irvine

[maggie_4_7]

Thank you Janet excellent, amazing how you can decipher that.

Well went down a rabbit hole yesterday, found a few links but still no James Torrance Wilson. James Wilson Bain David's oldest son and his sister Elizabeth living at 38th Street Chicago with their aunt Mary his father David's sister. The Craig family is obviously connected some way but still not found the immigration records. He names James not Robert the father maybe some confusion there are lots of James' about especially Wilson ones.

Strange family so many links with so many people and families intertwined. My Scottish ancestors' siblings and children have travelled to every corner of the globe, Canada, USA, South Africa, South America, Australia, NZ and even Tahiti.

[Janet]

Found this on FMP. James T. Wilson with a sister, both adopted, in Irvine on the 1891.
Is that your James, and is that the Maggie who turns up with Robert Craig later?

James T Wilson in 1891
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Stanecastle Cottage, Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland

[kiterunner]

Are you sure the terms and conditions of FMP allow you to post that screenshot on here, please, Janet?

[maggie_4_7]

Found this on FMP. James T. Wilson with a sister, both adopted, in Irvine on the 1891.
Is that your James, and is that the Maggie who turns up with Robert Craig later?

James T Wilson in 1891
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Stanecastle Cottage, Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland

Yes I have all that, and both James and Sarah's death and his birth mother's death. It's when he gets to USA I lose him.

It's a complicated life he started with. His birth name is James Wilson Torrance. His father (James Wilson senior was his real father he is named on birth cert) married Sarah Rankin in 1886 but Margaret Torrance his father's first cousin gave birth to James junior in 1890 and was brought up by Sarah and his father James.

Maggie T in that census is Margaret Torrance's daughter but not James daughter as far as I know, no father's name on birth cert, I assume it was a man called Morrison, Maggie's actual name is Maggie Morrison Torrance and she goes back to Margaret Torrance when Margaret Torrance marries William Wright a few years later.

I will never know if Sarah knew James senior was James' real father or even that James Torrance Wilson knew himself. Because Margaret Torrance was James senior's cousin Sarah may have thought nothing about taking James. Although in such a small village I don't know how they would keep it secret. James Wilson and Sarah Rankin had no children of their own.

James Wilson Senior was my grandmother Agnes McEwan's great uncle and her mother Mary Ann Walker Wilson's uncle, Margaret Torrance was Mary Ann Walker Wilson's cousin. James died at Agnes' house in Bridgeton, Glasgow in 1940 he was born in 1864. My uncle James Wilson Young registered his death. Sarah died in Coatbridge in 1935 then James went to live with my father's family in Bridgeton.

I found out today who Maggie is on the census in 1910 USA she isn't related but Robert Craig is, his mother Margaret McAllister's mother's surname is Rankin so could be a sister or cousin to James Wilson senior's wife Sarah Rankin.

Told you it was complicated :D.



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[Janet]

Are you sure the terms and conditions of FMP allow you to post that screenshot on here, please, Janet?

Oh, I am so sorry. I thought that much was safe but if you're not sure, Kite, then I'm not the least bit sure. Maggie says she has all that anyway, so I've removed the screenshot.

[maggie_4_7]

Oh, I am so sorry. I thought that much was safe but if you're not sure, Kite, then I'm not the least bit sure. Maggie says she has all that anyway, so I've removed the screenshot.

Thank you Janet.

Did you read the story of his beginnings in life, I expanded a bit and edited, that is really why I wanted to know what happened to him.

Now you know why I get very confused with my Scottish side, its a complex maze of intertwined relationships and families but then they did live in 3 small villages in Ayrshire who tended to use all the same names and names that were very common.

[Janet]

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Told you it was complicated :D.

Thanks for all that, Maggie! I'll keep an eye out. You're right, he's doing a good job of hiding.

He could be anywhere really. I've seen a number of entries for incoming passengers where they give names and addresses for friends and relatives that can be verified by the authorities, but that might just be to gain entry and possibly not where they end up going.

It's a big country with lots of transportation and far-flung job opportunities. The horizon's the only limit, and that's a moving target. Especially, I take it, for your lot!

[Janet]

Thank you Janet.

Did you read the story of his beginnings in life, I expanded a bit and edited, that is really why I wanted to know what happened to him.

Now you know why I get very confused with my Scottish side, its a complex maze of intertwined relationships and families but then they did live in 3 small villages in Ayrshire who tended to use all the same names and names that were very common.

Okay, yes, have now gone back to your earlier post and seen your edits. The plot thickens! :)

[maggie_4_7]

Thanks for all that, Maggie! I'll keep an eye out. You're right, he's doing a good job of hiding.

He could be anywhere really. I've seen a number of entries for incoming passengers where they give names and addresses for friends and relatives that can be verified by the authorities, but that might just be to gain entry and possibly not where they end up going.

It's a big country with lots of transportation and far-flung job opportunities. The horizon's the only limit, and that's a moving target. Especially, I take it, for your lot!

Just to let you know. I know that is James on that manifest because the address he has given for his father is 7 West Road Irvine and that is the address both James and Sarah is living at and David Bain is James senior's sister's Janet's (Jessie) husband.

I thought I found him yesterday before posting that manifest, I got really excited, same name same DOB on Find a Grave but I found his marriage entry and some census. He names his mother as Anna and is born in the USA and he with parents and siblings ;(

[Janet]

Oh dear. Maggie, I think maybe he died. Informant James Craig, Jasonville, Indiana. Is this him?
James Wilson - Male - White - 20 - Single - Feb 1890 - Scotland - 19 Jan 1911 - Jasonville, Greene (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/60716/images/44494_349994-02154?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=rAa3165&_phstart=successSource&pId=4281715)

[Janet]

I've just made out the full story. How sad.

I hereby certify, that I attended deceased from
____________ 19__ to ____________ 19__
that I last saw him ['alive' is crossed out] dead on Jan. 18 1911
and that death occurred, on the date stated above, at 3:45
P.M. The cause of death was as follows:

By an explosion accidently of powder, placed
for shot in mine, and exploding
before deceased could get out of danger
causing concussion, and fracture of skull.

[maggie_4_7]

Oh dear. Maggie, I think maybe he died. Informant James Craig, Jasonville, Indiana. Is this him?
James Wilson - Male - White - 20 - Single - Feb 1890 - Scotland - 19 Jan 1911 - Jasonville, Greene (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/60716/images/44494_349994-02154?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=rAa3165&_phstart=successSource&pId=4281715)

Thank you Janet.

Yes its him, James Craig swings it. I have this feeling I saw that death certificate last week amongst many but at that time didn't know about James Craig, I was taking a punt at him going abroad my money was on NZ and had forgotten all about it I looked at so much stuff and hadn't confirmed he went to USA at that time.

The other thing is no name for mother but they weren't so great on detail in those days.

Very sad he was only there just over 3 months. He died the way a few of his men relatives did in Scotland including my 3 x great grandfather at age 40.

Edit to say: James Craig must be Robert, his son James Craig is only 6. Maybe he used the name James. His actual name is Robert Kerr Craig I saw his marriage certificate to Maggie on SP. Oh and I searched my Shoebox on Ancestry and the death certificate is there saved from about a week ago silly woman that I am I completely forgot! :rolleyes: