Missing in 1861 Census

[ElizabethHerts]

Can anyone find the following people, please?

Jane Blake or Jago born c. 1814 at Golant St Sampson, Cornwall
her children
Caroline Ann Blake or Jago born 1848
Albert Blake or Jago born 1850
Fanny Blake or Jago born 1856 both at Fowey, Cornwall

They are a complicated family!

[Phoenix]

No is the short answer!

Is any of the census missing? Does the workhouse label by initials?

And finally, did Albert die young, with surname Jago? and was Fanny in service in 1871, again with surname Jago?

[Phoenix]

I didn't expect them to be in Lostwithiel St in 1861, but they aren't there.

As I can't find any of them (though Caroline could be a servant by this stage) my gut feeling is that they were all together. I've looked a forename and date of birth, ignoring surnames, but no joy.

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks for looking, Phoenix. This is a query I am answering in my OPC capacity. I've got sucked in and researched a lot more than the initial query.

I'm glad it's not just me that can't find them.

[ElizabethHerts]

John Jago should be with them too. He was Jane's stepfather. Her mother Frances/Fanny died in 1847. His death in 1862 is reported in the newspapers.

[maggie_4_7]

I had look too, no luck, I tried every permutation.

I will have another look later.

[maggie_4_7]

John Jago should be with them too. He was Jane's stepfather. Her mother Frances/Fanny died in 1847. His death in 1862 is reported in the newspapers.

Where was John's death, in Cornwall?

[Merry]

I looked last night, but couldn't find anything.

I did look to see if there were any missing pages etc in Fowey in 1861 but it doesn't look like there are any issues. Do you know if those who died in the 1860s were buried at Fowey?

[Phoenix]

It looks as if the poor man was blown up by a gun exploding that he had been hired to set off at a regatta at Fowey.

If I have the right report, he was a labouring man, above 60, with a family "mostly grown up and earning their own living"

And if he was Jane's step-father, was he also the father of her children???

[ElizabethHerts]

Henry Jago, wife and daughter are at Lostwithiel Street. He was one of John and Fanny Jago's sons.

John Jago's death:

Fowey Regatta – Fatal Accident.
Fowey Regatta took place on Wednesday last, and we regret to learn that the very commencement of the sports was attended with a frightful and fatal accident. An old gun, which had been some time unused, was placed near the Broadslip, to be fired as the signal gun for the several matches. John Jago, a man of 56 years of age, was appointed to attend and fire the gun. Jago it seems was not used to artillery and the gun was not examined before it was loaded, and it is possible there may have been a flaw in it. At any rate when the time came to fire the gun it burst near the muzzle. A piece of the iron of the gun struck Jago just above the ear, killed him on the spot, carrying the top of his head away, and scattering his brains. The mutilated body was removed to the College Hospital to await a coroner’s inquest. The deceased, who lived with his deceased wife’s illegitimate daughter, leaves several children. The sad event cast a gloom over the proceedings of the day.

[ElizabethHerts]

No is the short answer!

Is any of the census missing? Does the workhouse label by initials?

And finally, did Albert die young, with surname Jago? and was Fanny in service in 1871, again with surname Jago?

Albert died in 1864.
Yes, Fanny is in service in Fowey in 1871.

I wondered about the workhouse.
John Jago was an ag. lab. so perhaps he was working on a farm somewhere.

[Phoenix]

In 1851, the household has three boys old enough to earn a living:Richard Curtis, 19, Joseph Blake 16 and Isaac Jago 13. Do we know where they were? Or their brother Edwin Jago aged 8 in 1851.

Also, do we know where John was living in 1862? I wouldn't mind betting that it was still Lostwithiel Street and for some reason they simply weren't counted.

[ElizabethHerts]

Richard Curtis Blake is the man I'm investigating. He was Jane's son. He was married and at Passage Street, Fowey. This family emigrated to Australia later on.

1861 Census
Richard Blake Head Married Male 26 Farm Labourer Fowey
Charlotte Blake Wife Married Female 25 Fowey
M Margaret Blake Daughter Female 4 Fowey,
John Blake Son - Male 2 Fowey
Richard Blake Son Male 0 Fowey
Henry Hunter Lodger Unmarried Male 40 Ropemaker Scotland
Angelina Blake Visitor Female 13 Fowey
James Bollard Lodger Married Male 40 Farm Labourer Duloe

I'd love to know who Angelina Blake was! I couldn't find her yesterday.

Joseph Kendall Blake, another of Jane's sons, has eluded me.

Edwin has also proved to be elusive.

[Phoenix]

I thought Angelina was Fanny. Off to find out why!

[Phoenix]

No, not Fanny but Caroline?

1871:
William Davis Head - Male 81 1790 - Cornwall, England
Emma Davis Daughter - Female 49 1822 - Cornwall, England
Sarah Laura Bishop Daughter - Female 42 1829 - Hampshire, England
Elizabeth Richards Servant - Female 71 1800 - Cornwall, England
Angelina Caroline Jago Servant - Female 21 1850 - Cornwall, England

[Olde Crone]

Gosh, the newspapers didn't hold back in those days!

OC

[ElizabethHerts]

Ooh, thanks!

[Phoenix]

Someone on Ancestry appears to think that a John Mitchell in Cardiff, born Fowey, is one and the same as Joseph Kendall Blake.

So far as I can see, this individual first married as John Murton Mitchell to Jane Howard in 1863. But he's a mariner, rather than an ag lab, so I think it must be pin sticking, without proof.

[ElizabethHerts]

Phoenix, I've now sent off a GEDCOM file to the researcher and asked him to come back if he requires further information. I'm going to leave it for now.
Thanks for your help - another pair of eyes is invaluable.

[Belinda]

Hi New to the group from Australia but found this thread on google.
My great great grandparents is Richard and Mary and this is what I found and wanting to find out more . They moved to Australia is 1882. Thank you
Richard Blake 1829-1917
Mary Charlotte Tippett 1836-1900
8
Marriage: 1858
Mary Margaret Blake 1856-Deceased
John Treleaven Blake 1858-1915
Richard Courtis Blake 1860-1866
Elizabeth Jane Blake 1862-Deceased
Fanny Blake 1864-Deceased
Ellen Blake 1867-1953
Joseph Blake 1869-1886
William Thomas Blake 1871-1882
Alfred Blake 1874-1959
Laura Kate Blake 1877-1973
Ernest James Blake 1880-1962

[Merry]

Hi Belinda, Welcome to GF!

Perhaps you could be a bit more specific about what you want to know? There's some information about Richard on this thread, if it's the parents of R and M you are after. Have you seen a copy of their marriage cert?

[Belinda]

Hi
Any information on Richard Blake as we have Jane as mother , no father & Fanny ( Francis ) his grandmother and that’s it . Wanting to know is there any Uk historical sites I can try to find out more if no one else has information. I have a copy of Richard & Mary’s wedding certificate. Thank you

[Merry]

So, you have Richard's marriage and baptism and census records already? There may not be anything else to find for him! And you have Jane's baptism - what else do you have on her so far? (I take it she never married, but her death is reg as Jago in 1867 - her step-father's surname?)

To have any chance of finding out the father's of Richard and Jane you would need to do a DNA test preferably with Ancestry. I suppose there's a good chance Richard's father was a Curtis, unless that name crops up elsewhere in the famaily.

[ElizabethHerts]

Welcome, Belinda.

The best site for Cornwall is Cornwall OPC.
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

You will have to use Ancestry or FindmyPast or similar websites for censuses.

For example, here is the transcription for Richard Blake's baptism:

Film No 5748148
Image No 77
Day Month 29-Jan
Year 1832
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Golant, St. Sampson
Forename Richard Curtis
Surname BLAKE
Sex
Age Or Date Of Birth
Father Forename
Mother Forename Jane
Residence Golant
Parish
Status Or Occupation Spinster
Where Baptised
Notes
Transcriber Notes Src: Exeter BTs
Transcriber Karen Duvall

[ElizabethHerts]

This is Jane's baptism:

Day Month 10-Apr
Year 1814
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Golant, St. Sampson
Forename Jane
Surname BLAKE
Sex dau
Age Or Date Of Birth
Father Forename
Mother Forename Frances
Residence Golant
Parish
Status Or Occupation pauper
Where Baptised
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Sue Mutton

[ElizabethHerts]

This looks like Frances' baptism:

Day Month 08-Jun
Year 1794
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Golant, St. Sampson
Forename Frances
Surname BLAKE
Sex
Age Or Date Of Birth
Father Forename
Mother Forename Anne
Residence
Parish
Status Or Occupation
Where Baptised
Notes base child
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Sue Mutton

[ElizabethHerts]

Anne could have married Josiah Broad on 30 May 1798 at St Sampson Golant.

[Belinda]

Thank you so much for the information to start to understand this bizarre family of mine .
Jane married John who originally was with her mum Frances ??????*??. That’s why I am confused who is whose father .

[Merry]

Jane didn't marry John (at least I can't find a marriage, can you?)

In 1851 we have

John Jago 46
Jane Blake visitor 35
Richard Curtis 19
Joseph Blake 16
Isaac Jago son 13
Edwin Jago son 8
Caroline Jago dau 2
Albert Jago son 9m

All the Jago children above are b Fowey and the older two in Golant

The baptisms for the children show:

Richard Curtis Blake bap 29 Jan 1832 Golant, mother Jane Blake
Joseph Kendall Blake bap 12 Jul 1835 Golant, mother Jane Blake
Isaac Blake bap 25 Jul 1841 Fowey, mother Jane Blake
Edwin Blake bap 27 Sep 1843 Fowey, mother Jane Blake
(Caroline is named Angelina on the baptism, by the look of it...)
Angelina Blake bap 18 Feb 1849 Fowey, mother Jane Blake
Albert John Blake bap 23 Feb 1851 Fowey, mother Jane Blake

None of these records above give a father's name, but when Caroline and Albert were registered for birth the surname Jago was used and mmn Blake:

JAGO, CAROLINE ANN mmn BLAKE
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in ST AUSTELL Volume 09 Page 19

JAGO, - mmn BLAKE
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in ST AUSTELL Volume 09 Page 13

So, I'm pretty sure John Jago will be named on these certificates as the father of his step-daughter's children.

Note that these two children are the only ones born after the death of Fanny Jago.

Deaths Sep 1847
JAGO Fanny St.Austell 9 7

So, what about Isaac and Edwin? The vicar says their mother was Jane Blake, but also John Jago says he is their father on the 1851 census, eve though his wife, Fanny, was living when they were born!

[Belinda]

Jane Jago formerly Blake
Born about 1803 in Saltash, Cornwall, Englandmap [uncertain]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of James Forbes Jago — married 29 Nov 1827 in Plymouth, Devon, Englandmap
DESCENDANTS descendants
Mother of Mary Jago, Catherine Blake (Jago) Sawer, John Jago, William Jago, George Jago and James Jago

[Merry]

Who are these people in your last post, Belinda? They look like a variation of the people we have been researching, but not the same people and no Richard.

I found the marriage of Catherine to Jonathan Sawer in 1852 in Westminster and that said Catherine's father was James a mariner. I checked the 1861 census for Jonathan and Catherine Sawer to see when and where she was born - Saltash, Cornwall in about 1830. I found Catherine on the 1851 census (same place of birth etc) in Aldeburgh, Suffolk and she was with her parents - they were James Jago 46 a coastguard from Ipswich Suffolk and Jane 48 from Saltash Cornwall. James and Jane had two children born after civil registration began so I looked at their birth registrations (George 1840 Isle of Wight and James 1843 Romney Marsh) and they both had mmn Blake, so as you said, most likely the parents were the couple who married in 1827 in Plymouth.

But I don't know why you are looking at this family if you are descended from Richard Curtis Blake bap 1832?

[Belinda]

I think I am getting confused with the Blake / Jago mix. I know Richard was born before Anne & Johns marriage . I will right down everything you have said . Thanks you so much

[Merry]

If you mean Richard was born before John and JANE married (not Ann) - I don't think John and Jane ever married. John was married to Jane's mother from 1829 until her death in 1847. No sign of a marriage between John and Jane after that.

In any case, marrying a step-parent was forbidden, so John and Jane would not have been able to marry anywhere they were known. I expect this was the main reason they didn't marry, even if John was the father of Jane's younger children.