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Have always been puzzled by ex's great-uncle's marriage. Victor's wife was 15 years older than him, he was rumoured to be gay, they married quite late.
I couldn't find any info about Mildred the marriage, in which she is indexed with the same surname as her married name. But there's no corresponding birth and I've found her and Victor listed together on the electoral roll decades before the wedding!
Without her real name I can't find her birth or find her on the 1939 register though I do have her birthdate.
So I bit the bullet and ordered the marriage cert. I strongly suspect that Mildred was married before and only able to marry after first husband died. Not sure her details will be correct as her full name was Florence Mildred but she dropped the Florence some time prior to the marriage. Hoping she will be honest about who her father was!
Fingers crossed.
ElizabethHerts
18-10-20, 15:53
It's always exciting to have a certificate to look forward to, Nell.
I hope you find the information you need.
I can't remember the last time I ordered one, Elizabeth. I've finally got the bug again, having thought I would be doing a lot more during lock down and then being distracted by other things.
It's just for my own curiosity. I'm also puzzled as to why when Mildred died the probate record doesn't state who probate was granted to.
Without her real name I can't find her birth or find her on the 1939 register though I do have her birthdate.
If the marriage was between 1939 and about 1990 she should show on the register with the name she was using at that time, but also the surname of her future husband.
Yes, she does, but it's the same name as the man she married. It's not her birth name.
Oh, OK - in an earlier post I thought you were saying you couldn't find her in 1939! :D
Fingers crossed she doesn't tell any porkies!
Yes, Merry, I can't! She's not using the surname Ledger then, so it'll either be her maiden name or a married name which I don't know!
kiterunner
18-10-20, 18:24
I can't remember the last time I ordered one, Elizabeth. I've finally got the bug again, having thought I would be doing a lot more during lock down and then being distracted by other things.
It's just for my own curiosity. I'm also puzzled as to why when Mildred died the probate record doesn't state who probate was granted to.
If you mean the probate index, it stopped showing that information at a certain date. I don't know exactly when that was off the top of my head.
Isn't this her?
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/61596/images/tna_r39_0358_0358a_003?backlabel=ReturnSearchResul ts&queryId=54f072d1fa539cd6e99c4326b954a18b&pId=7758060
Towards the bottom - dob 15 Dec 1901
kiterunner
18-10-20, 18:56
Ooh, well spotted, Merry!
Merry
Ooh, I don't know how you do it! Could be. I will look into that and hope the cert clarifies!
kiterunner
18-10-20, 19:00
FreeBMD comes up with a couple of possible marriages: Joseph W Staniforth / Florence M Beazley 1930 Leicester, or Robert W Staniforth / Florence M Waterland 1935 Sculcoates.
kiterunner
18-10-20, 19:01
But Florence M Waterland was born 1910. Not found Florence M Beazley's birth yet.
I suppose she could have been married more than once before!
kiterunner
18-10-20, 19:07
Remembering that she was Mildred N Ledger on the marriage index, could she be Florence Mildred Noon whose birth was registered Jan-Mar 1902 Mansfield, married Benjamin E Beazley Oct-Dec 1919 Mansfield? Sorry if this is a "spoiler" before you get the cert!!!
kiterunner
18-10-20, 19:10
There is a possible second marriage for Benjamin in 1931 - there don't seem to be many Benjamin E Beazleys around. So maybe there was a divorce?
kiterunner
18-10-20, 19:12
Oh yes, here we go:
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8055777
Oh, she had two children in 1920 and 1929.
Not sure about this. If she got divorced in 1929 why didn't she marry Victor until 1970? As for children, I vaguely remember being told she had a daughter who didn't have anything to do with her. Of course daughter could still be alive.
That was her first husband. Then she married Mr Staniforth.
Just checked back through my notes - Mildred's daughter had a married name. Have checked for a Beazley marriage with married name and it came up with the right area. So it looks likely.
Thanks Kite & Merry.
Possible second marriage
Florence M Beazley
Registration Date: Apr 1930
[May 1930]
[Jun 1930]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Leicester
Inferred County: Leicestershire
Spouse: Joseph W Stainforth [mistake for Staniforth?]
Yes, that's the one (see post #13)
I think this is probably Joseph W Staniforth in 1939 with his "wife" Diana and son Derek. Derek's birth reg says mmn Nock, but there's no marriage between Joseph and Diana that fits:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/61596/images/tna_r39_5477_5477b_004?backlabel=ReturnSearchResul ts&queryId=9b2357321c4d18314afe2c4aa4b27d8c&pId=33629585
Thanks Merry.
After two marriages I'm surprised she stuck with Victor!
It says that the bride was Mildred Noon Ledger (name changed by deed poll), previous marriage dissolved. Father's name Arthur John Noon, farmer.
[on ex's father's second marriage cert it actually names his previous spouse]
Interestingly the bride and groom gave different addresses although they were cohabiting as far as I know.
Bride was 70 and groom 53. Unfortunately the witnesses aren't names I recognise.
Even with her birth name and father's name, I can't find her on 1911 census.
It looks as if her mother died and her father - John Thomas Noon - remarried, to elizabeth Louisa Fletcher. This is her father in 1911:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1911%2FRG14%2F20371%2F0459&parentid=GBC%2F1911%2FRG14%2F20371%2F0459%2F3
He has Reginald aged 14 with him, who was a son by the previous marriage
kiterunner
24-10-20, 15:35
Hmm, the GRO birth index gives her MMN as Kerry, but I can't find a Noon(e) / Kerry marriage to fit, nor other children of the same couple.
Edith - ah, I hadn't looked back far enough yet! Now I see Phoenix's post, there was Reginald b 1896 and there is a Thomas Jan-Mar 1898.
Parents' marriage:
Marriages Dec 1895
Keny Mary Elizabeth Mansfield 7b 166
Noon John Thomas Mansfield 7b 166
This is the family in 1901:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1901%2F3137-3138%2F0732&parentid=GBC%2F1901%2F0017450989
kiterunner
24-10-20, 15:45
If this tree is anything to go by, there is a pretty tangled web, and Florence Mildred could be with her mother in 1911 if we could figure out what surname they were using!
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/14061323/person/212191211661/facts
kiterunner
24-10-20, 15:59
Okay, this looks like them in 1911:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2352/images/rg14_20278_0249_03?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=dNx68255&_phstart=successSource&pId=25304915
Explains why her father is Arthur on her marriage cert.
Here's Florence!
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2352/images/rg14_20278_0249_03?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=2372410803a1d70c76aee694f9e8c6dc&pId=25304922
Snap, Kite.
So, Mum ran off with the lodger and Dad remarried, bigamously.
More skeletons!
Thank you Phoenix, Kate & Merry. Off to look at your finds now.
Hmm.
Just tidying up a few other of ex's rellies, I've come across a distant cousin, who divorced first wife and married second. Couldn't find his marriage though I had the year - turns out SHE also used his surname when they married, so she'd presumably acted as his wife before the wedding. Seems to be a habit. First wife also seems to have changed her Christian name too.
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