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Kit
18-10-20, 08:26
Joanna/Johanna Toten married William Cope by licence in 1758.

Joanna Marriage (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1623/images/31281_a100763-00032?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=74d1aa4395ab206e018ac988aaa9adfa&pId=240156)

She was a minor, which to me means she was born after 1737.

Her father is Joshua Toten and he died and left a will in 1766.
Joshua Toten Will (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/5111/images/40611_309825-00177?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=b080f3e14f27e780d9713dd9d6d5ea57&usePUB=true&_phsrc=YCo944&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=328461)

The will states Joanna had a brother Joshua and she was a widow.

I can't find her birth and not knowing who the mother is makes it hard too. Toten is mistranscribed by ancestry in so many different ways, some start with S making the search difficult.

Could someone have a look and see what they find? I'm hoping for beginners luck. lol
Phoenix
18-10-20, 08:30
Any reason why this isn't her parents' marriage: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/10371242:1624?indiv=1&tid=&pid=&queryId=7d376d7ec92df5baa7b287b1ddb21b60&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Leb23197&_phstart=successSource
Kit
18-10-20, 08:37
William's will. He died 1765-1766.

Will (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/5111/images/40611_309819-00509?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=afae6b2a053fb8f4a6d95cc6b1aaa2f7&pId=31251)

He states there was a marriage settlement and Joanna only received 10 guineas in the will. His children inherited the bulk of the estate, assuming they reached adulthood.
Kit
18-10-20, 08:39
Any reason why this isn't her parents' marriage: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/10371242:1624?indiv=1&tid=&pid=&queryId=7d376d7ec92df5baa7b287b1ddb21b60&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Leb23197&_phstart=successSource

No reason at all.

Given that surname is mentioned it is likely.

I have seen births to Joshua and Hannah but no Joanna
Phoenix
18-10-20, 08:41
I wonder whether this is a mistranscription (from 1743!) for Joseph?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1624/images/31281_a101280-00071?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=5b14608a4ed31a47ad508019be4e257a&pId=6073125
Phoenix
18-10-20, 08:55
Okay, let's try agaain

Joshua: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1624/images/31280_194895-00234?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=5b14608a4ed31a47ad508019be4e257a&pId=1666024


Down as Foten
Kit
18-10-20, 08:58
I don't know. It is definitely son of.
Kit
18-10-20, 09:00
Okay, let's try agaain

Joshua: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1624/images/31280_194895-00234?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=5b14608a4ed31a47ad508019be4e257a&pId=1666024


Down as Foten

That's good. Definitely Joshua.

Foten is a new variation.
Phoenix
18-10-20, 09:16
Okay, all the references I can find to the family are in St Luke's Finsbury. But these only start in 1740. Joshua is described as a plaisterer, so definitely the right people.

If Joanna is the eldest - and I'd say she has to be - she is probably the eldest. So she may be born wherever her mother came from.
Merry
18-10-20, 09:37
Also, there are a lot of impossible to read entries at St Luke's, Fnsbury - the bottom three or four entries on every page I've looked at are blackened out most of the way across the page.

I did see one with just the first name transcribed - Joanna - but that was in Nov 1741 so probably unlikely. Goodness knows how the name was read from the image!
Phoenix
18-10-20, 10:40
In case you don't have this, Kit:

First name(s) Joshua
Last name Toten
Apprentice year 1725
Livery company Plasterer
Details Toten Joshua, son of Joshua, Twickenham, Middlesex, (in Ms Surrey), gardener, to Thomas Seagood, 27 May 1725, Plaisterers' Company
Father's occupation gardener
Birth county London, Middlesex
Kit
18-10-20, 10:42
I think I've had issues with St Lukes before, can't remember what family though.

Thank you Phoenix and Merry. I'll double check tomorrow but I think they fit into my tree quite nicely.

I just wish I could find someone who had a Samuel. There is one floating around in the registers with similar names to mine but he doesn't fit yet.
Kit
18-10-20, 10:43
In case you don't have this, Kit:

First name(s) Joshua
Last name Toten
Apprentice year 1725
Livery company Plasterer
Details Toten Joshua, son of Joshua, Twickenham, Middlesex, (in Ms Surrey), gardener, to Thomas Seagood, 27 May 1725, Plaisterers' Company
Father's occupation gardener
Birth county London, Middlesex

No I didn't. Thank you. :D
Phoenix
18-10-20, 10:52
And this looks like Hannah Seagood's baptism in Mortlake:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/4790/images/40761_312058-00157?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=a417153bb7257c75770061dce4d35e67&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Leb23261&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.114717703.1652351787.1600465796-1518776162.1531920438&pId=1248869


Note that her mother is Joanna
Kit
18-10-20, 11:14
Thank you again.
Kit
19-10-20, 05:47
Note - for future reference - I manually searched St Lukes back until August 1737 when Joshua and Hannah married. There is no baptism for Joanna, at least nothing legible.