Robert Moore and Elizabeth Epplett

[Phoenix]

Several Ancestry trees show this couple, with their son John Epplett Moore b Stratton, Cornwall 1849.

When they marry, in 1842, Robert is the son of James Moore. Father's occupation of Labourer may refer to either or both of the fathers.



https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/9848/images/004764236_00038?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Leb20677&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.82984789.235514228.1595703629-1518776162.1531920438&pId=66947


Robert is in Poughill in 1841 as a servant aged 35:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8978/images/CONHO107_150_152-0393?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=da3c6a4dfbc9799cef71ad1aa084c09d&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Leb20672&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.75239505.235514228.1595703629-1518776162.1531920438&pId=589238


The family emigrate to Canada some time after John's baptism. But there is a large, unaccounted gap between 1849 and 1870. Robert has, I think, disappeared by then.


I have a Robert Moore/Moors bp 1810, son of James, born in Hamworthy, Dorset of whom no more is known. Now, could these two Roberts be one and the same person, as suggested by my hints?


Can anyone find him on censuses 1851/1861? Emigration records? Burial?

[ElizabethHerts]

You have probably got this:

Day Month 30-Mar
Year 1842
Parish Or Reg District Stratton
Groom Fn Robert
Groom Sn Moor
Groom Age 32
Groom Residence Poughill
Groom Condition Bachelor
Groom Rank Profession Labourer
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M)
Groom Father Name James Moor
Groom Father Rank Profession Farmer
Bride Fn Elizabeth
Bride Sn Epplett
Bride Age 22
Bride Residence Stratton
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M)
Bride Father Name John Epplett
Bride Father Rank Profession Farmer
Banns / Licence (B/L)
Witness Fn1 John
Witness Sn1 Epplett
Witness Fn2 William
Witness Sn2 Scown
Other Information
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Kay Woodhouse

[ElizabethHerts]

He was 32 on marriage, so born c. 1810.

[kiterunner]

The father's occupation on that marriage cert says Farmer, not Labourer, Phoenix. On both copies. Robert's occupation is Labourer. I think the most interesting thing about the marriage cert is that it was copied out into the next entry and then the copy was crossed out. Was the clerk supposed to be copying it into the register office book and accidentally wrote it in the church one? Shouldn't he have checked the number was right before filling it in?!

Now I will have a look at your actual questions...!

[Phoenix]

Thanks, Elizabeth.
32 puts him spot on for my man, and Poughill is on the coast near Bude, so not impossible to reach from Poole, but I do wonder if the census is right - and if so, was he actually nearer 42?

[kiterunner]

Looking at the online GRO birth index, there is also:

Charles Moore Oct-Dec 1842 Stratton, MMN Epplett
Mary Moore Jul-Sep 1845 Stratton, MMN Epplett

[ElizabethHerts]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77T6-JT9H?i=37&cc=1769414&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQJHB-VD3W

[ElizabethHerts]

Baptisms:

Day Month 25-Feb
Year 1849
Parish Or Reg District Stratton
Forename John Applett
Surname Moore
Sex son
Father Forename Robert
Mother Forename Elizabeth
Residence Stratton
Father Rank Profession Farmer
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Kay Woodhouse

[ElizabethHerts]

Day Month 02-Oct
Year 1842
Parish Or Reg District Stratton
Forename Charles
Surname Moore
Sex son
Father Forename Robert
Mother Forename Elizabeth
Residence Stratton
Father Rank Profession Labourer
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Kay Woodhouse

[Phoenix]

The father's occupation on that marriage cert says Farmer, not Labourer, Phoenix. On both copies. Robert's occupation is Labourer. I think the most interesting thing about the marriage cert is that it was copied out into the next entry and then the copy was crossed out. Was the clerk supposed to be copying it into the register office book and accidentally wrote it in the church one? Shouldn't he have checked the number was right before filling it in?!

Now I will have a look at your actual questions...!

Agreed, - he does say the upper one (with holograph signatures) is the true one.

While I should have said farmer, it appears to relate to Elizabeth's father, not Robert's.

[kiterunner]

John died in Flint, Michigan, 2 Dec 1927:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/60872/images/44471_355122-00768?treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Ctf24997&_phstart=successSource&pId=751727842


DOB 4 Jan 1849, born Devonshire, England, parents Robert Moore and Betsie Epplett, both born England.

[Phoenix]

Ooh, and I like the Charles! "My" Robert had a missing brother Charles.

[ElizabethHerts]

Little Charles died aged 4:

Day Month 18-Jul
Year 1847
Parish Or Reg District Poughill
Forename Charles
Surname MOORE
Age 4
Residence Poughill
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Judith Upton

Burial

[ElizabethHerts]

MOORE, CHARLES 4
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in STRATTON Volume 09 Page 149

Death

[Phoenix]

Poor little Charles. I had wondered if there were other children - and of course there may be more after 1849.

[kiterunner]

Elizabeth had a daughter Grace born Canada about 1852, according to her (Grace's) marriage record:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7921/images/ONMS932_1-1016?pId=1750508

For names of parents, it says "Elizabeth Moor, widow".

[kiterunner]

Okay, here is a family on the 1861 Canada census at Darlington, Durham, Canada West:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1570/images/4391544_00349?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=0978c73a3719f24eacf63de2312e96e4&pId=797539725

Robert Moore, occupation Yoeman (sic) born England age 53
Elizabeth Moore wife born England age 49
Mary Moore born England age 15
John Moore born England age 12
Grace Moore born England age 9
James Moore born Canada age 7.

I think there may be a free version of this elsewhere so will have a look.

Edit - it is on FamilySearch but you have to go to a FamilySearch Centre to view the image.

[kiterunner]

Meanwhile, there is a Grace Moore birth reg Jul-Sep 1852 Stratton, but the online GRO index has MMN as Jewell.

[kiterunner]

Here is Robert's death record:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8946/images/ONMS935_2-0694?treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Ctf25021&_phstart=successSource&pId=866582

Turnberry Twp, Huron, Ontario, Canada
Robt Moor, died 1 Aug 1870 age 60. Farmer, born England. Cause of death Consumption. Informant John Moor, blacksmith, Turnberry. Registered 10 Jan 1871. Religion: Bible Christian.

The next entry is James Moore, died 5 Aug 1870 age 16, farmer's son born Darlington Ont, cause of death rheumatic fever. John Moor is also the informant for that one, registered the same day as Robert.

None of which settles the question of whether he is your Robert! I was hoping the death record would give his parents' names.

[Phoenix]

Meanwhile, there is a Grace Moore birth reg Jul-Sep 1852 Stratton, but the online GRO index has MMN as Jewell.

Really odd. It doesn't appear to be the same family as James Moore and Elizabeth Jewell living in Bideford in 1851.

[Phoenix]

I think I go for the Stratton Grace being a red herring (though who the devil was she?) and the family's Grace being born in Canada.

Thank you for the 1861 census, Kite - and those death registrations. They must have lived somewhere pretty remote. Curious that both father and son died so close, of different causes - though caring for one may have diverted attention from the other.

It's feasible that Robert was MY James's son. Frankly, since James is a Martian, he may have come from Devon/Cornwall himself and just settled in Dorset. And since James was allegedly born in 1787, I'm not convinced DNA is the answer.

[kiterunner]

You would think they would be on either the English 1851 census or the Canadian one, but I can't find them on either.

[Phoenix]

Thanks for looking, Kite.

[kiterunner]

Ancestry has a Robert More arrival in Ontario 1850, from WHYTE, DONALD. A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada before Confederation. Toronto: Ontario Genealogical Society. Volume 1, 1986. But there is no further info. I know it says Scottish but I think it includes some non-Scots.

[Phoenix]

Thanks, Kite!