Where did they go?

[Durham Lady]

Sorry if this seems long but I want to give you everything I know.

Richard NORTHEY the 8th child of John NORTHEY and Agness née COX/COCKS was born c1840 in the St Austell District, Cornwall. No birth found in the indexes.

He was baptised at Holy Trinity Church, St Austell 9th August 1840, the family were living at Boscundle.

Richard is with his parents in 1841
Tregrehan Mills HO7/146 Folio 17 pg 26

1851 Family listed as NORTHY
Charlestown HO107; Piece: 1907; Folio: 86; Page: 7

1861 Richard is with his widowed mother in Tavistock,Devon, she was born there.
RG9; Piece: 1462; Folio: 68; Page: 27

On 15th September 1864 a Richard Cox NORTHEY a miner son of John NORTHEY married an Eliza Ann THOMAS daughter of William THOMAS a mariner at St Paul's Church, Charlestown, Cornwall
Witnesses were Thomas HARRIS and George NORTHEY

Richard has a younger brother George and one of his sisters married a Thomas HARRIS.

My problem is, after the marriage Richard and Eliza seem to disappear.

I've tried census in Wales, Scotland, Isle of Man, Channel Islands as well immigration/Emigration but nothing seems to be coming up for them.

Has anyone any other ideas please?

[kiterunner]

The trouble is, the passenger lists on Findmypast for people leaving the UK don't go back as far as the 1860's, so they could well have emigrated.

[Durham Lady]

Mmm Kite, that's one of the problems, I've checked the lists on Ancestry but they are very hit and miss at the best of times. None of my folk who went to America in the 1880's apear on them.
Oh orgot to say I didn't see them on the US census lists either.


Not ignoring anyone but better go show willing to make a meal. :d

[kiterunner]

I googled for Richard Cox Northey and there was one match, about a miner age 35 with his wife and children; it looks as if it's part of a report about mining in Pennsylvania in the 1880's, but every time I try to view the page it freezes my laptop up! Maybe someone else can load it? (Think it's something to do with the DjVu viewer?)

Update - can't load it on my main computer either, but this is the bit that came up on Google:
Full text of "Report of the Inspectors of Mines of the anthracite..."
Richard Cox Northey, a miner, aged thirty-five years, wife and three children; at the Coal Run colliery of the Suffolk Coal Company. .
and the URL includes reportsofinspect1881penn

[kiterunner]

Ooh, well, looking at the 1880 US census on FamilySearch, there is at Mahanoy City, Schuylkill, Pennsylvania a Richard Northy age 35, miner, born England, with wife Mary Jane 28 born Wales, and children Wm Jno 12, James 10 and Richard 4, all born Pennsylvania. So it looks as though Mary Jane was his second wife.

[kiterunner]

1870 US census in Mahanoy East Ward, Schuylkill, Pennsylvania:
Northey Richard 25 Miner England
Northey William J 2 Penn
Northey Mary 19 Wales

[Durham Lady]

Oh thanks for that Kite, wonder if I can find a death for Eliza. I'll get onto my Rellie in Texas, Richard is part of her family too, to see if she has access to anything we don't over here.

[kiterunner]

Then on the 1910 census Mary J is a widow, not found her in 1900 yet to see if Richard was still alive then or not.

[kiterunner]

Yes, Richard was still alive in 1900 but the page is quite faint so I'll have to have another look later to make it out properly (got to go and do washing up now). They're listed as North instead of Northey on ancestry's transcription and it has Richard North 56 at Mahanoy City, Schuylkill, Pennsylvania if you have access to look it up in the meantime.

[WendyPusey]

Reports of the Inspectors of Mines.

No. 8. — November 29. Richard Cox Northey, a miner, aged thirty-five
years, wife and three children; at the Coal Run colliery of the Suffolk
Coal Company.

At this colliery a branch of the Philadelphia and Reading railroad, con-
necting Ellangowan and Knickerbocker collieries with the main line, crosses
the mine car track leading from the slope to the breaker. Northey was on
his way from the blacksmith shop, where he had been for his tools, to the
was standing on the mine car track, waiting for a train of railroad cars to
pass, so as to get across to the slope. While standing and watching the
passing train, an empty mine car was being run down the track from the
rock l)ank to the slope, which is down grade to the crossing. The man in
charge of this car permitted it to run away, and being unable to follow it,
cried out, but the noise of the passing train prevented Northe}' from hear-
ing him. With his back turned towards the runawa}^ car, he did not see it
until it run him down, driving him against the railroad cars, and inflicting
injuries from which he died on reaching his home in Mahanoy City, two
miles distant.

[kiterunner]

Thanks, Wendy.

So, Richard Cox Northey, a miner, age 35, with a wife and 3 children, lived in Mahanoy City, which surely means he must be the one I found in 1880 but I must have got the wrong person in 1900! I'll have another look...

[Durham Lady]

Oh thank you both so much, just managed to get back to have a look and was about to google to see if I could see that report. Just can't wait now to send everything off to Melissa to see what she thinks. Hope somehow we can find the death of Eliza and his second marriage, I think they both must have been in the USA.

The age is a wee bit out though, by 5 years. 1870 Northey Richard 25 Miner England He would have been around 30 if baptised in 1840.

[kiterunner]

By the way, Wendy, how did you get the page to load properly?

[Durham Lady]

Kite, just added this to my last post.

The age is a wee bit out though, by 5 years. 1870 Northey Richard 25 Miner England He would have been around 30 if baptised in 1840.

Do you think I need to think again?

Tried to view the report bu it froze my main computer and my laptop. Weny how did you manage it?

[kiterunner]

It could be that he knocked a few years off his age when he married Mary Jane. I wonder if we can find that marriage to see if there is any info?

[WendyPusey]

I just googled the page and clicked on the link. No problems with loading page.

[Durham Lady]

Had no luck with a mariage to Mary. If it was in the US they are very hit and miss.

[kiterunner]

I'm utterly confused now! Having had the chance to check the 1900 image, it is the same Richard who I found on the 1870 and 1880 censuses, so not the one who died aged 35. But age 35, a miner with wife and 3 children, and living in Mahanoy City - surely that must be the same man in that report? Am I misunderstanding it?

The Richard who was married to Mary Jane says on the 1900 census that he was born November 1844, so although the year could be wrong, it doesn't look as though he is your Richard because yours being 10 months old on the 1841 census wasn't born in November. He says he immigrated to the USA in 1865 and Mary immigrated in 1852 (she was born Aug 1850) and they had been married for 32 years, so they would have married in 1867 or 1868, which would be possible if it was your Richard as Eliza could have died soon after their marriage.

I found a site called GenealogyBank which has a couple of newspaper clippings about Richard Northey who died in 1909, formerly a member of Mahanoy City Council, and who testified about conditions for the miners in Mahanoy City in 1897, but it's a pay site so I wasn't able to read the full articles. But I did find this message board post; maybe there is no more to the articles?
http://boards.ancestry.ca/surnames.northey/71/mb.ashx

Soo.... looking at the family trees on ancestry, there is someone who has your Richard staying in England and being married to a Phillippa on the 1871 census, and living in Paignton, Devon, in 1901. Birth place given as St Blazey, Cornwall, which is very close to St Austell. Their marriage was Sep 1866 St Columb, Richard Northey and Philippa A Endean, so again, if it is your Richard, then Eliza must have died soon after their marriage. I suppose you could get the marriage certificate to see if it is your Richard, or contact the owner of the tree - maybe they already have a copy of it? Also if you look through all the census entries for Richard and Phillippa, maybe there will be something to confirm if it is your Richard.

Sorry to have led you up the garden path about the Mahanoy City one - but it seems such a coincidence that his name was Richard Cox Northey and he was a miner from England!

[Durham Lady]

Kite, no worries, I'll do some more digging around. There are a couple of trees on Ancestry and that is what confused my rellie Melissa. I was surprised she had taken what someone else said as gospel and added them to her tree on Ancestry, she doesn't usually do that. She assumed it must be correct because they had the correct parents for our Richard but I think they had taken them from previous census.

[Durham Lady]

I've sent for thecopy of the marriage certificate of Richard and Phillippa, hopefully his father won't be John so then I can dismiss them completely. The postal date is 26th January so something to look forward too a couple of days after my ½ day in hospital on Monday.

[kiterunner]

Good luck with both, Daphne.

[Durham Lady]

Just to update.
The marriage certificate has arrived from the GRO, the groom is Richard Northey and his father is also Richard Northey, so, I think I can exclude this one as being my Richard Cox Northey marrying within 2 years of his first marriage.
Still doesn't tell me where my Richard and wife Eliza went to after 1864:(
Whoever has their tree on Ancestry obviously hasn't bothered with certificates as they have Richard son of John and Agness and as Northey is a common name in Cornwall certificates are essential, if available, to sort them all out.

[borobabs]

Hope its turned up for you Daphne ;;