Me again....... another mystery

[samesizedfeet]

Sorry - I'm using up my quota for the whole year this month I think

Have a little mystery with the Bridge family , as follows:

Henry and Mary Bridge (maiden name not known)

1851 census
3 Ormrod Street, great Bolton
Henry Bridge, Head, 24, Cotton Spinner, B: Bolton Lancashire
Mary Bridge, wife, 29, B: Bolton Lancashire


1861 census
27 Ormrod Street (Cellar), Great Bolton
Henry Bridge, head, 36, Cotton Spinner, B: Bolton
Mary Bridge, wife, 42, Cotton Piecer, B: Bolton
Betsy Bridge, daur, 9, Cotton Piecer, B: Bolton
Seth ??croft, lodger


1871 census
66 W John Taylor Ct, great Bolton
Henry Bridge, 38, Cotton Piecer B: Bolton
Mary bridge, wife, 48, B: Bolton
Betsy bridge, daur, 19, Cotton Piecer, B: Bolton
Jane Leach, grandchild, 7, B: Bolton
Margaret A Bridge, grandchild, 10 mos, B: Bolton



Now, I can see the ages are off in 1871 compared to the others, but I'm pretty certain it's them because of grandchild Margaret Ann.

I can't figure out who Jane Leach is and who's child she could be to make her their grandchild as Betsy is the only child I can find.


tyia

Z

[Merry]

Don't know if this helps or even if it's the same Jane?

Edward PENDLEBURY Head M 35 Coal Miner b Bolton, Lancashire, England
Sarah PENDLEBURY Wife M 40 b Bolton, Lancashire, England
Jane LEACH Niece 16 Cotton Piecer b Bolton, Lancashire, England


Marriages Dec 1880
Leach Sarah Bolton 8c 320
Moon Mary Bolton 8c 320
NICHOLSON John Bolton 8c 320
Pendlebury Edward Bolton 8c 320

[Merry]

I went back ten years looking for Sarah Leach and there were two, both married, when I'd expected the above Sarah to be single. One of the two married Sarahs had a child I could identify forward (Thurston Leach) in 1881 but his mother had changed from Sarah to Ann with a different birthplace, so maybe I should just go and make the breakfast?

[Merry]

There's only one Jane Leach birth reg around 1864.

[kiterunner]

Seth's surname is Flitcroft, if that's any help.

[kiterunner]

Lancashire BMD has Edward Pendlebury marrying Sarah Leach in 1880 at St John, Bolton, and it doesn't give an alternative surname for Sarah so that suggests she wasn't married before.

[Merry]

Right, that's good, so we need to try harder in the earlier censuses, maybe?

Hmmmm.....1861 should find Sarah Leach aged about 20. Result - no Sarah Leachs at all presumably as the 1871 two were not yet married and the other one is hiding.

I moved forward to 1891 to see what birthplace Mrs pendlebury gave there, but they are sticking with Bolton. As an aside, I notice they have a different 'lodger' in the house in 1891 called John Mather, whose relationship to head is Orphan :confused: he is aged 46!! lol

Bolton for Sarah in 1901 as well.

Hmmm......maybe she was using a step-parents name before marriage? (or leach is her step-parent's name?) Maybe if we knew what Mrs Bridge's pre-marriage surname was we might be able to find Sarah using that? (my brain can't work out how they might be connected, but maybe the niece/granddaughter relationships for Jane Leach are approximates!)

[kiterunner]

John Mather is in a different household from Edward and Sarah, next door to them.

[Merry]

Oh is he? Still seems funny to call yourself an orphan at that age!

Thought I'd look for Henry, Mary and Margaret Bridge in 1881. Can't see them. At first I thought Margaret had died, but I think I was wrong in that. Haven't checked deaths for Henry and Mary yet.

[samesizedfeet]

Betsy Bridge marries Henry Southworth in 1871 and her, and Margaret are on 1881 as Southworths.

It's their son Walter (abt 1877) who is my connection
(Walter's great granddaghter marries Henry Titus Higg's 3x great grandson)


Thank you for all your help btw, had the planning inspectorate round so not had time to digest it all yet

[Merry]

Maybe the enumerator put granddau for Jane Leach because he was reading the wrong line on the householders schedule and she should say boarder or something? *looks hopeful* :o

[Phoenix]

Are there any Henry Bridge/Mary Leach marriages?

The obvious assumption is that Mary had an illegitimate child - either a little leech or a girl child who married a Leach.

As everyone else has said, Jane's birth certificate ought to resolve the problem and with luck, Mary was living with her illegitimate child in 1841.

[kiterunner]

There is a Jane Leach baptism 30 Nov 1864 at Holy Trinity, Bolton, daughter of Thomas and Ann, abode Ormrod Street, occupation miner (on Lancashire OPC site).

[Merry]

Well done Kate - I didn't know Lancs had an OPC!

Unless she wasn't a baby that surely must be the right one?

[Merry]

Oh dear........

Births Mar 1863
LEACH Jane Bolton 8c 262


Births Jun 1864
LEACH Jane Bolton 8c 331


There was only one when I looked earlier. Aplogies.

[samesizedfeet]

I had completely forgot about LancsBMD - I"ve done two weeks of researching a Lancs based tree too.

*slaps self*

[Merry]

As the bap is in the right address area and as I can't see Thomas and Ann getting married or being on a census, I guess that bap is probably for the right Jane Leach! :o

[kiterunner]

I can't see any Leaches in Ormrod Street on the 1861. Bother!

[Merry]

Can you easily see if Thomas and Ann leach had other children baptised?

*searches for site*

[kiterunner]

I had a quick look through and couldn't find any, but I only looked at the ones with dates fairly near to 1864:

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Bolton-le-Moors/Great-Bolton/holytrinity/index.html

[Merry]

I've looked over 20 years and couldn't see any more.

[Phoenix]

Births Mar 1852
Bridge Betsey Bolton 8c 216

This is the reference for Betsy's birth. Even if her parents weren't married, the cert would give a mmn for Mary, so a chance to find her in 1841.

[Olde Crone]

Betsey Bridge 1852 Bolton mmn KIRKHAM

(Abraham Bridge m Ellen Kirkham Bury St Mary 1841)

OR:

Betsey Bridge b 1852 Bury mmn NUTTALL

Cannot see a Nuttall/Bridge marriage though.

OC

[kiterunner]

That Betsey with parents Abraham and Ellen is a different one from the one we're looking for (obviously).

[Olde Crone]

This is starting to get oddly complicated!

Phoenix gave a ref above

Betsey Bridge, Bolton 8c 216.

There is ANOTHER entry, Bolton 8c 206, which one assumes is the same entry miskeyed. Can we safely assume that though?

But there is no entry on Freebmd for Betsey Bridge born BURY district,mmn Nuttall, as per Lancsbmd.

Bury isn't Bolton, so there is yet another possibility - that Betsey's birth was not registered.

OC

[Merry]

Births Mar 1852
Bridge Betsey Bolton 8c 206
Bridge Betsey Bolton 8c 216

There should only be one entry above (216 is correct and 206 is a mispost)


Births Dec 1852
Bridge Betsy Bury 8c 334
Bridge Betty Bury 8c 313

These two are correct.

[Merry]

I agree that it looks as if the registered Bolton birth is Abraham's daughter and the other Bury one is the wrong place. So Zoe's Betsy wasn't registered?

[Olde Crone]

BRIDGE Betsey Bury South Bury NUTTALL BS/14/60
BRIDGE Betsey Tonge with Haulgh Bolton KIRKMAN TWH/7/340
BRIDGE Betty Walmersley Bury ROBINSON WAL/6/5


All from Lancsbmd site (1852)

These match up nicely with Merry's list.

We can discount the KIRKHAM one in Bolton, so it is looking as if our Betsy's birth wasn't registered.

OC

[Merry]

Typical! lol

[Merry]

Erm, maybe she was registered as Elizabeth?

[Merry]

This is the only Bolton one:

Births Dec 1853
BRIDGE Elizabeth Ellen Bolton 8c 268

[Merry]

Or she might have been registered in Mary's 'previous' surname!!

[Merry]

and if that was Leach and Mary and henry were not married (no marriage Bridge/Leach found) then what about these?

Births Mar 1852
Leach Betsy Bolton 8c 223
LEACH Betty Bolton 8c 225

*sighs and considers taking up tatting as a hobby instead*

[kiterunner]

Or of course it could be that Ann Leach (wife of Thomas) was Mary's daughter, in which case we don't know her maiden name to look for Betsy under!

[Merry]

Maybe if we deleted this whole thread Zoe would forget about it? :o

[kiterunner]

By the way, lots of the Bolton birth registrations haven't been indexed for Lancashire BMD yet, which doesn't help.

[kiterunner]

That's strange - I thought I posted a reply on here (much) earlier about Jane Leach marrying John Dearden in 1885 and having children Henry, James and Robert (age 5, 2 and 10 mo respectively in 1891) but the post never seems to have appeared! Sorry about that! They married at Emmanuel Parish Church, Bolton, but it doesn't look as if that one is online at Lancs OPC yet.

[samesizedfeet]

Believe me, I'm trying my hardest to forget all about them.

*sob*


Thanks guys, you've at least saved me the £7 I was going to spend on that Bolton birth

[maggie_4_7]

*sighs and considers taking up tatting as a hobby instead*

Maybe if we deleted this whole thread Zoe would forget about it? :o

:d :d

I think you're all doing very well you have serendipity and most of all tenacity.