Annie Simpson - 1881?

[Sue from Southend]

Edward Walter Simpson marries Mary Ann Holloway in 1875 @ St Lawrence, New Brentford https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1623/31280_198982-00115?pid=4145274&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DkhK265%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource %26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1623%26gsf n%3Dedward%2520walter%26gsln%3Dsimpson%26cp%3D0%26 mssng%3Dmary%2520ann%26mssns%3Dholloway%26msgdy%3D 1875%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3Dzs8%26redir%3Df alse%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D34%26fh%3D0%26h%3D4145274%26recoff%3D%2 6ml_rpos%3D1%26queryId%3D68d7a82f11dfd97ca22b2bd34 dc7896f&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=68d7a82f11dfd97ca22b2bd34dc7896f&usePUB=true&_phsrc=khK265&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

Their daughter Annie Lydia Victoria is born later that year in Isleworth, Middlesex. The baptism isn't on Ancestry but a transcription is on FMP and Mary Ann is named as Annie. They don't appear to have any further children.

This is Mary Ann and Annie in 1891. Mary Ann is a servant and widowed and Annie a visitor. https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=6598&h=18221034&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=khK266&_phstart=successSource

And I think this is probably Mary Ann in 1881, a widowed servant
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7572&h=21618713&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=khK268&_phstart=successSource

But where is Annie? And while we're at it I can't spot a death for Edward either....

Edit to say that I have Annie's marriage and later life, thanks!

[Merry]

Edit to say that I have Annie's marriage and later life, thanks!


Does that mean you just need Edward's death?

Simpson Edward Walter b 1853 d 1878 British India Office Deaths & Burials Mhow, Bengal

[Merry]

He died 7 Nov 1878 aged 25. A corporal in E/B RHA (Royal Horse Artillery). He died from an abcess of the liver.

[kiterunner]

There is an Annie L Wells of the right age (5) born Isleworth, granddaughter to a George Wells age 41 and his wife Eliza, 50:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7572/MDXRG11_1335_1339-0527/15650811?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return

Just thought I would mention her since George seems a bit young to be her grandfather and I'm betting he is Eliza's second husband and that this Annie is Eliza's granddaughter, not George's. I don't suppose your Mary Ann had a mother named Eliza?

[Sue from Southend]

He died 7 Nov 1878 aged 25. A corporal in E/B RHA (Royal Horse Artillery). He died from an abcess of the liver.

Thank you Merry! Where did you find that? I thought I'd looked at all the death/military records! Obviously not....

[Sue from Southend]

There is an Annie L Wells of the right age (5) born Isleworth, granddaughter to a George Wells age 41 and his wife Eliza, 50:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7572/MDXRG11_1335_1339-0527/15650811?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return

Just thought I would mention her since George seems a bit young to be her grandfather and I'm betting he is Eliza's second husband and that this Annie is Eliza's granddaughter, not George's. I don't suppose your Mary Ann had a mother named Eliza?

It looks very possible doesn't it?

I don't know Mary Ann's mother. Her father was a Charles according to the marriage record and to complicate matters further I can't find her in any census before her marriage. I'm going to have to get a birth certificate - something I was hoping to avoid as I'm doing this tree for my sister in law.

The only birth reg I can see is in Basingstoke 1857 and the mother's name is Barlow - can I find a marriage? No, of course not but maybe I'm being dumb again!

[kiterunner]

UK Census Online says it has a Charles Holloway, blacksmith (as on Mary Ann's marriage cert) age 48 in Berkshire on the 1861 census. If only I could find him on another site!

[kiterunner]

Ah, I think they may mean the one in Egham, Surrey? But he doesn't have a daughter Mary Ann with him in 1861. His birthplace is Staines and he has a wife Sarah, in case we need to come back to him.

[Sue from Southend]

One of the witnesses on Mary Ann's marriage is an Elizabeth Lydia Simpson. Whether that's a mother, sister or in law is anyone 's guess...

[Merry]

thank you merry! Where did you find that? I thought i'd looked at all the death/military records! Obviously not....

fmp :)

[kiterunner]

If it's any help, this is Mary Ann's second marriage, found via someone's tree:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/4779/42642_611411_2878-00078/9744383?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/67642198/person/242119602353/facts/citation/782170262793/edit/record

[Sue from Southend]

If it's any help, this is Mary Ann's second marriage, found via someone's tree:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/4779/42642_611411_2878-00078/9744383?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/67642198/person/242119602353/facts/citation/782170262793/edit/record

Oh well done!

There seems to be a strong Surrey connection. Edward Walter Simpson was probably born in Kingston on Thames and the Eliza Wells that you found was also born there.

[kiterunner]

Possible George Wells / Eliza Simpson marriage Oct-Dec 1875 Brentford district on FreeBMD - the other two on the page are Alfred Rooney and Alice White.

[kiterunner]

Yes, here is the marriage and Edward W Simpson is a witness (Elizabeth Lydia Simpson is the other witness) :
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1623/31280_198982-00116?pid=4145279&treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=dNx39666&_phstart=successSource
It is the (double) page after Edward and Mary Ann's marriage record!

[Sue from Southend]

Thanks Kite. I'd got so fixated on Mary Ann Holloway I completely forgot that Annie had another grandmother:d

So, that's sorted out Annie Lydia and confirmed Edward's parentage, thank you. Just Mary Ann Holloway now:rolleyes: