View Full Version : Can we search by address
in the 1861 census?
If so how do we do it?
The answer is yes, on FMP.
My lady however is not living at the address she was living at when she got married.
On FMP - Click Search and then A-Z of record sets. Then enter 1861 in the search box and select 1861 Census. Then switch the toggle thing to Search for Address.
I'm never sure if this search only gives exact matches, so I never enter Road or Street etc in case it's Rd or St etc in the results; I just enter the street name and parish or town.
Thanks Merry. I entered the street name and street and it worked, even without a town. It gave me 4 different towns to choose from.
Neither person was at the address they said they lived at on the marriage register. However I don't understand why they lived somewhere (assumedly separately) on the 1861 census then both moved to separate addresses for when they got married. As they were both over 70 would anyone have cared if they were living together?
I thought I was so clever using the marriage address to find my lady. :(
In my tree, even people who married within a week after the census were at different places on census night to the reported address on the marriage entry. In most cases they were living out of area, so if a church wedding, were making sure they didn't need to have the banns read in more than one church, thereby saving money.
Do you want to post up who you are looking for, or have you found them now?
No I haven't found them.
The first person is Hannah Eliza Jones, nee Gilbert b 1785 bap 1815 Bethnal Green St Matthew.
Her first husband is John Jones. I know nothing more about him, except her mother says he is living at Haybridge Middlesex in her will of 1840. I suspect there are no children.
John dies at some point as Hannah married Samuel Davis, a widower, in May 1861, Tower Hamlets, St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney.
There isn't much to go on.
Is her mother's will a PCC one? I've never heard of Haybridge Middlesex.
It was a London will Mary Gilbert, widow of Samuel who died 1840.
Mary Gilbert (https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=lQv13702&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&dbid=1704&gsfn=mary&gsln=gilbert&cp=4&new=1&rank=1&uidh=5ai&redir=false&gss=angs-d&pcat=36&fh=7&h=371710&recoff=&ml_rpos=8)
This is probably the most helpful will I've ever seen, except I would love to know how she almost doubled what her husband left her when he died in 1822.
I've never heard of Haybridge anywhere and google thinks it might be in Worcester but I think it is just a school.
Your link doesn't work for me. Was probate also 1840 and where was she of? Then I can find it by searching Ancestry!
I've looked at four PCC wills proved in the 1840s but I can't find one written in 1840, so am not sure which one she is! Two of the will are pretty long so I don't know if I want to wade through them when none seem to be the right one!
lol just realised you said it was a London Will. Nothing came up for me except PCC...…..
I've not got anywhere yet. The will was signed in Nov 1838.
kiterunner
14-01-20, 21:49
There is a Heybridge in Essex, closer than Worcestershire but still not Middlesex.
Correction - there are two Heybridges in Essex, plus a Heybridge Basin.
I've tried all sorts and got nowhere! Might have another go tomorrow...
kiterunner
14-01-20, 22:22
I don't know whether you have this already, but Hannah Eliza married yet again 21 Jun 1862, to Joseph Mattinson Savage, at Stratford, Essex.
oh, no Kate. I don't have that. Thank you.
I couldn't find her or Samuel on the 1871 census, so I was going to try deaths.
Essex was where their sister Mary Ann Richardson lived with her husband William. Mary Ann died somewhere between 1861 and 1871 but William lived until June 1881. Another sister Charlotte Flude was visiting in 1871.
Heybridge in Essex might work, but Mary Ann and William were in Middlesex in 1841 at Princes St, mentioned in Mum's will.
Your link doesn't work for me.
It works for me. Sorry.
kiterunner
14-01-20, 22:45
Possible for Samuel Davis in 1861, at 3 Tabernacle Square, Shoreditch - if it actually says Samuel, hard to make out.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/MDXRG9_231_235-0523?pid=5512297&treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=dNx30510&_phstart=successSource
I should say John Jones was alive on 26 Sep 1840 at Bethnal Green St Matthew when Charlotte Gilbert married William Flude. He was a witness at the wedding.
kiterunner
14-01-20, 22:46
By the way, Hannah died in 1868, so we won't find her in 1871.
Possible for Samuel Davis in 1861, at 3 Tabernacle Square, Shoreditch - if it actually says Samuel, hard to make out.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/MDXRG9_231_235-0523?pid=5512297&treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=dNx30510&_phstart=successSource
It looks like amuel to me.
It looks like amuel to me.
Findmypast has the faintest of S's before the amuel in 1861.
Thanks for killing off Hannah. My mid January resolution ie earlier this morning, is to kill off more of my tree.
I've tried all sorts and got nowhere! Might have another go tomorrow...
Glad to see Kate has made some great inroads!
I don't know whether you have this already, but Hannah Eliza married yet again 21 Jun 1862, to Joseph Mattinson Savage, at Stratford, Essex.
I had just assumed (:o) that wouldn't be the right Hannah, so didn't pursue it!
I expect this is her second husband's death, though he has aged 2 years in a few months:
DAVIS, SAMUEL
72
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 04A Page 27
There's a probate entry for Hannah:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1904/31874_222976-00044?pid=5866134&treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=OUd6192&_phstart=successSource
I now wonder if this is Hannah in 1861? Was she the eldest of her siblings (I noted she was first listed in her mother's will)? I can't find a different death for this Hannah to exclude her (though I have to say I haven't tried very hard!):
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1904/31874_222976-00044?pid=5866134&treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=OUd6192&_phstart=successSource
Obviously the born Coventry is perhaps unexpected, but maybe that's where her parents started out, and moved to the London area after her birth but before the sisters I've looked at so far (Charlotte and Sophia) were born.
Is this the same Hannah in 1851? she younger than she should be, but her husband has the right forename!
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8860/ESSHO107_1770_1770-0029?pid=4680371&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DOUd6200%26_phstart%3DsuccessSourc e%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D8860%26gs fn%3Dhan*%26gsln%3Djones%26gsfn_x%3D1%26gsln_x%3D1 %26cp%3D11%26gskw%3Dcoventry%26gskw_x%3D1%26qh%3Dr DCPjhH/BkjlObl3dPGoAg%253D%253D%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26ui dh%3D672%26redir%3Dfalse%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D35%26fh%3D1%26h%3D4680371%26recoff%3D%2 6ml_rpos%3D2&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=OUd6200&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true
Looking hopeful, as here is John's PCC will which says Chigwell, same as 1851 and gives wife's name as Hannah Eliza.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/5111/40611_311582-00277/563506?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return
I can't see a death reg in Epping (for Chigwell).
There's a marriage in Coventry for Samuel Gilbert and Mary Barnes 04 Mar 1782 (FMP transcription), but don't know if that fits the number of children they had, or Samuel or Mary's ages at death, so it's just a possible.
Answering as I read. Yes, Hannah is the eldest. She was baptised at 30, so it's quite possible she was born elsewhere. Everyone but Hannah and her brother Samuel, the second eldest, were all baptised around the time they were born at St Leonard Shoreditch.
The link for Hannah is 1861 is giving me her probate entry.
I found this Hannah in 1841, but there were other Hannah/John combos and I admit, I was looking for her being born in Middlesex or London.
Hannah 1841 (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8978/MDXHO107_662_664-0041?pid=7015967&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ti%3D5538%26indiv%3Dtry%26db%3Duki1841%26h %3D7015967&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true)
Hannah's sister, Mary Ann, lived in Essex so it's possible the sisters (and their husbands) went to be near each other.
I've been following the other sisters to see if it helps. I had youngest sister, Sarah's, husband's name but followed something else and forgot. Now I'll have to try and remember and follow them too.
There was also a brother Thomas. No idea what happened to him. He wasn't in either parents will. Samuel was transported, I wonder if Thomas was too?
There's a marriage in Coventry for Samuel Gilbert and Mary Barnes 04 Mar 1782 (FMP transcription), but don't know if that fits the number of children they had, or Samuel or Mary's ages at death, so it's just a possible.
It would fit. Hannah was born in 1785.
This is wonderful, thank you
sorry, here's the 1861:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/ESSRG9_1060_1064-0741/16671125?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return
For some reason if I have several windows open for Ancestry sometimes (quite often!) the address appears the same for different images, so I usually copy and paste the address and re-open it to see if it's the right one before posting it here, but I must have forgotten to do that for the 1861 census!
As Hannah was in Woodford in 1861 this may be John:
JONES, JOHN
61
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 04A Page 23
and this burial:
John Jones b abt 1795 bur 31 Jul 1856 Woodford Bridge, St. Paul
Wow, thank you. You are much better than me at this.
There's a marriage in Coventry for Samuel Gilbert and Mary Barnes 04 Mar 1782 (FMP transcription), but don't know if that fits the number of children they had, or Samuel or Mary's ages at death, so it's just a possible.
I've been trying to find an image to go with this, to find witnesses etc. without success. I have to go into an office.
They married at St Michael, Coventry and it looks like Samuel's baptism is there too, assuming he was born in Coventry. His parents are Samuel and Mary, which means there are, at least, 3 generations of Samuel and Mary Gilberts. It ended with the last Samuel dying in infancy.
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