Help required to locate 2 ggg aunts

[Lynn the Forest Fan]

I have been inspired by the recent reduction in the cost of wills, to do a bit more of my tree. This led to me ordering the death cert for my ggg uncle Charles Clarke, which sadly didn't prove as interesting as I had thought, but did encourage me to find out what happened to 2 of his sisters Elizabeth c1846 and Caroline c1856 Great Ellingham Norfolk. I have traced his siblings, including my gg grandfather William, to their deaths but lost these 2 after 1871. I am making use of the free Ancestry weekend to look for them, but have had no luck. I did think I had found a marriage for Elizabeth to a Thomas Drake Chillystone, but that turns out to be an Elizabeth Carter. Thomas does appear to be their illegitimate cousin by their grandfather Thomas Drake and his housekeeper/partner Charlotte Chillystone.

Any help would be appreciated, as i would like to find them while I still have Ancestry access.
Thanks

[Phoenix]

Can you say where they were in 1871, and what they were doing?

As Charles came to London, via the railway? then perhaps they did too?

There may be too many Carolines in London b 1856 Norfolk, but that's what I'd look for. Norfolk places get horribly mangled in the hands of an enumerator. You'll only know it when you see it.

[Lynn the Forest Fan]

This is getting slightly confusing, as I now find that I had traced Elizabeth in 1881 in Harleston and in 1891 in New Buckenham, as a housekeeper, but I don't have her at all in 1871. Caroline wa with her father Samuel and sister Mary Ann, both were in Hackney in 1881

[Merry]

I had traced Elizabeth in 1881 in Harleston and in 1891 in New Buckenham

In 1881 she is in New Buckenham and 1891 in Starston.

[Lynn the Forest Fan]

Whoops, sorry, yes that is what I meant

[Merry]

Here's Elizabeth in 1911:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/2352/rg14_11323_0841_03/53837607

She and James married in 1899 in Norwich district. (discovering she had a middle name made it much easier!)

[Merry]

Deaths Dec 1930
Howlett Elizabeth R 87 Norwich 4b 138

[Lynn the Forest Fan]

Sadly that is a different Elizabeth, my one didn't have a middle name and I have managed to find the baptism for Elizabeth Rebecca in 1843 and mine was baptised in 1846

[Merry]

Oh, OK.

[Merry]

In which case that's not yours in New Buckenham in 1881!

[Lynn the Forest Fan]

Oh right. That was a record I had found ages ago. But the good news is that I have managed to find her! I was looking at her in 1851 and at the side, there were suggestions of other records, including one for an Elizabeth Anthony in 1901, married to Albert,. I then checked for a marriage and found one, in St Pancras in 1878 and theparish records show her to have father Samuel which is right. Just got Caroline to find now as well as Elizabeth in the missing years. :)

[Merry]

1881:


Elizabeth Anthony spouse Albert
b abt 1849 Ellingham, Norfolk, England
Wife
living at Marlebone, London

[Merry]

For some reason, Elizabeth Anthony and family have called themselves Clarke in 1891:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/6598/LNDRG12_255_256-0218/9919277?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdbid%3d6598%26gsfn%3dalbert%26gsfn _x%3d1%26gsln_x%3d1%26cp%3d11%26gskw%3dislington%2 6gskw_x%3d1%26msmng%3deli*%26msmng_x%3d1%26msmns_x %3d1%26msbdy%3d1886%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbdp%3d1%26hc %3d50%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26uidh%3d672%26redir%3d false&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[Lynn the Forest Fan]

Thanks Merry. I have now found them in 1891, listed as Clarke! I was looking at their son albert in 1901 and a suggested record to look at was for Albert Clarke and there they were, although it is quite faint.

[Phoenix]

For the record, Caroline Allen married a Clarke and Caroline Barnard married William Henry Mitchell. There don't appear to be any other Carolines of the right age who came from Ellingham.

It seems stragnge that Mary Ann didn't have her little sister as a witness when she married Walter Rennie in January 1876, so I do wonder if Caroline was already dead at that stage?

[Merry]

Their son Albert married Kate Ethel Millwood in 1908 and they emigrated to Canada before 1911. The marriage cert doesn't suggest Albert senr was dec'd at the wedding date, but of course that doesn't mean he wasn't.

[Phoenix]

What did Ann (nee Drake)die of? This looks like her burial and two of her sons in 1860: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/61042/4143502_01646/1983609?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdbid%3d61042%26gsln%3dclarke%26gsf n_x%3d1%26gsln_x%3dNN%26cp%3d4%26msfng%3dsamuel%26 msfng_x%3d1%26msfns_x%3d1%26msmng%3dann%26msmng_x% 3d1%26msmns_x%3d1%26pcat%3d%26qh%3dcilpxMzd%252fZR KEWNyK2VPWQ%253d%253d%26hc%3d50%26new%3d1%26rank%3 d1%26uidh%3d9vh%26redir%3dfalse&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults#?imageId=4143502_016 63

[Lynn the Forest Fan]

Merry our posts yesterday morning seem to have crossed! Thanks for finding Albert's marriage, how did you know he went to Canada? Incidentally Mary Ann also went to Canada with her 2nd husband Robert Wholey.

Ann died of inflammation of the lungs, I don't know about the boys.

I found a possible death for Elizabeth in Battersea in 1933, which is where her brother William had been living before he died in 1935

[Merry]

I think this is Albert's passenger listing:

Albert Anthony 26 abt 1883 29 Apr 1909 Liverpool, England Quebec, Canada

I'm not sure which Mrs Anthony is his wife (separate sailing) but several trees have them on the 1911 Canadian Census together. I don't have access to Canadian records on Ancestry but this is from Family Search:

Maisonneuve Sub-Districts 127-167, Quebec, Canada

Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Albert Anthony Chef Male 27 England
Kate Anthony Wife Female 27 England
Ethel Anthony Daughter Female 1 Quebec
Albert Anthony Father Male 65 England
Elizabeth Anthony Mother Female 62 England

So, Albert's parents went as well!

[Lynn the Forest Fan]

Thanks Merry, that is very interesting. The marriage was actually 25th April 1909, so they got married just before he left! Elizabeth's sister Mary Ann emigrated in 1912.
I have had a look for that record on Familysearch, but couldn't find it. I haven't used the site much in years, it looks very different.

[Phoenix]

Ann died of inflammation of the lungs, I don't know about the boys.


I know this isn't the direction you are going in, but I would be interested in the cause of death of the boys. I have a brother and sister whose deaths are within a week of each other. He died of bronchitis and his death certificate makes clear that this was a long term condition, but his sister died of typhoid and I can't help feeling that that was his actual cause of death.

If the boys also died of inflammation of the lungs, it would have been some thing much more fast acting than tb.

[Lynn the Forest Fan]

It would be interseting, but I can't afford the certs at the moment, will put them on my list.

[Lynn the Forest Fan]

Sadly the free Ancestry weekend is over, but at least I have located one of my aunts and added a few more names to my tree.
It is interesting that the whole Clarke family seem to have moved to London from Norwich, perhaps for a better life? Then a couple of them moved to Canada as well. Thanks for the help.

[Phoenix]

My granny moved from Norfolk to Surrey. She was the eldest child. She found jobs for most of her sisters and the all came south. About four generations earlier, a distant aunt of hers was doing exactly the same thing.
Norfolk had all sorts of problems in the 1800s: the woollen industry had gone, the shoe industry declining and the import of cheap grain from the States spelt the decline of agriculture. Weavers went to Bradford, labourers onto the railways, or to the mines in the North East.

[Lynn the Forest Fan]

Well Samuel, the father had been a labourer adn both his surviving sons Charles & william went to London to work on the railways.