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vita
11-08-19, 14:20
I'm trying to pinpont the location of Bird Street, London, in the early 19thc.

I'm writing an article about London at that time & had previously identified it as

a narrow thoroughfare off Oxford St. Now I've come across a reference to

another Bird Street since renamed Binney Street over in Mayfair.

Can anyone pse help me identify which might have had the name around

1815?

If its any help, the local church involved was St. George, Hanover Square.

Merry
11-08-19, 14:37
Got it. Hang on I have some links....

vita
11-08-19, 14:39
Thanks Merry. I had some too but nothing that might settle the matter.

kiterunner
11-08-19, 14:42
On the London A-Z, it looks as though Bird St and Binney St are parts of the same street, either side of Oxford St.

Merry
11-08-19, 14:47
When you say "over in Mayfair" - I think it's all the same street!

Current map...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bird+St,+London/@51.5137411,-0.1527649,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x4876052d34452be1:0xfc9ae5f055444 525!8m2!3d51.5144827!4d-0.1508069

See the red marker between Duke St and James St - that's Bird St and as you say, it is a small lane. If you look immediately south, the road running east to west immediately below the red marker is Oxford St (I know it doesn't say, but there's Bond St underground just to the east, and that's on Oxford St!). Running due south from there is Binney St (the restaurant Burger and Lobster is marked on the corner).

So, is Binney St just the continuation of Bird St?

At the bottom of that street map is Grosvenor Square.

Now look at this 1818 London map:

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/snow/1818map/2_3c.htm#upperright

Move to the top left of the area and then roll down until you can see Grosvenor Square. Running north from the top right corner of Grosvenor Square is Duke St and next to it is Bird St which is now Binney St. It looks like Bird St continues unnamed on the north side of Oxford St, to Henrietta St.

vita
11-08-19, 15:11
I think you're both right - it looks like a continuation of the same street. So they must

have kept Bird Street name for the smaller bit at some point.

Merry
11-08-19, 16:21
The street was renamed after Rev. Thomas Binney:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_names_of_Mayfair

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Binney

Merry
11-08-19, 16:31
In 1859 (John Snow's map of London) and also in 1889 (Charles Booth's map) the part of the road that is now called Binney St was called Thomas Street. Only the small part north of Oxford St was Bird St - same as now. I don't know when Thomas St changed to Binney St.

Merry
11-08-19, 16:41
Binney St is not on the 1911 census, but it is on the 1939 Register.

vita
13-08-19, 14:35
Sorry to be a bit late thanking you for this, Merry. It looks like the north of Oxford St. bit

is what I want as the time period is very early 19thc.