Where was he born?

[Tom Tom]

Please can anyone help read this?
https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/7572/WRYRG11_4573_4575-0683/25161493?backurl=https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/29137161/person/212101401036/facts/citation/722138444971/edit/record

It is for John McNally, aged 44 (7th person from the top).

1851, 1861 and 1871 say Scotland.
1891 says Sunderland.

This is the 1881.

Thanks for looking.

[Uncle John]

What awful writing. I can't begin to fit a place-name to it. I wonder if it ends N K (i.e. Not Known). His wife and children are all born in County Durham (inferred from place-names).

[Tom Tom]

Hi UJ.

I thought maybe the bit at the end was NE (for North East?), but it could equally be NK or N/E.

It's the first word I thought might give me some clues!

[Merry]

Looks like "(something) North N.K."

[Merry]

His marriage record (transcript) says his father was Francis.

Name: John Mcnally
Gender: Male
Marital status: Single
Age: 28
Birth Date: 1830
Marriage Date: 6 Jun 1858
Marriage Place: Southwick, Southwick, Durham, England
Father: Francis Mcnally
Spouse: Isabella Nicholson

Not sure that helps! lol I note he's aged a bit. (EDIT - no he hasn't - bad maths!)

[kiterunner]

I can only get "In the North NK" but I'm not very sure about the beginning of it.

[Tom Tom]

Thanks everyone.

That's him Merry - Had got to England by 1841 and both his brother, sister and mother all just say "Scotland".

[Merry]

Did his brother and sister marry? Did they say Francis for their father?

Which 1841 census do you think is the right one?

[kiterunner]

A tree on ancestry says this is the 1841 census entry, with all of them (except Francis?) down as born in Scotland:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8978/DURHO107_311_312-0369/4437899?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/41351073/person/20376112102/facts

[Tom Tom]

Sister, Eleanor gives him as her Father when she marries - she married James Veitch who is with them in 1841.
She also registers his death in 1847.
I have been unable to trace the brother Peter forwards (although it is only an assumption that he is his brother).

[Merry]

A tree on ancestry says this is the 1841 census entry, with all of them (except Francis?) down as born in Scotland:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8978/DURHO107_311_312-0369/4437899?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/41351073/person/20376112102/facts

Francis McNally and James Veitch are born in Ireland.

[Tom Tom]

The 1841 census for Francis is a bit unclear as to whether it is an I or an S.

Online trees have all gone for I, but I am not 100% sure.

[Merry]

I think it's an I, but that doesn't mean he wasn't born in Scotland! lol

What happened to Jane?

[Tom Tom]

Not sure at the moment. That's my next thing to look into.
I have her in 1851, but then can't pinpoint her just yet.

One died in 1858 in Sunderland, but the GRO site's index says she was 70, so a bit out.


Ancestry says she was buried in Southwick in the Select Deaths and Burials index, but cannot see Francis in the same one. I could order the certificate which would confirm, but not sure I want to right at the moment (other priorities!).

[kiterunner]

I haven't managed to find any of them in Scottish records yet. Some ancestry trees have Jane's maiden name as Jorden, but I don't know where they have got that from. The nearest I could find was a Francis McInally / Janet Forsyth marriage 10 Oct 1830 Glasgow, though of course that is after the children were born.

[Kit]

Could it be something north N IE? IE stands for Ireland.

The first word looks like it ends in ttie.