Gibbons

[kiterunner]

James Gibbons married Elizabeth Bitmead on the 22nd Sep 1889 at St John the Evangelist, Camden. He was age 26, a bachelor, horse keeper, residence 17 Colville Place (the same address as Elizabeth.) Son of Robert Gibbons, marble mason, deceased. The witnesses were both Bitmeads.

On the censuses his birthplace is Islington, London.

Some ancestry trees have him as the one born Whitechapel, son of Eliza, but that one is deaf on the 1881 census and is still unmarried and living with his mother on the later censuses. There is also another James Gibbons born in Whitechapel about the same time who is a tailor married to Emma on the 1901 census.

There is also a James Rowley Gibbons born 1861 Shoreditch but he gets married in 1908 in Camberwell (my James is still with Elizabeth on the 1911 census.)

Can anyone find James before his marriage, or find anything about Robert Gibbons, marble mason, please?

[kiterunner]

This is 17 Colville Place in 1891 but no Gibbonses there:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/6598/LNDRG12_120_122-0195?pid=20202446&treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=dNx7786&_phstart=successSource#?imageId=LNDRG12_120_122-0192

[Merry]

This isn't much help, but in 1911 he said birthplace Clerkenwell and in 1871 there is James Gibbons aged 9, scholar, b Clerkenwell at 96 Mansell St Boys Refuge, Whitechapel.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7619/LNDRG10_521_524-0533/12779024?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return

[Merry]

In 1881 there is a James Gibbons in the army, b St Pancras aged 19. On FMP is this army record

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM/WO97/2875/075/001&parentid=GBM/WO97/2875/51765

James Gibbons aged 19 years 2 months (in Nov 1880) b St Pancras, trade or calling - marble polisher.

[Merry]

Next page has nok mother Hannah, 15 Wakefield St, Brunswick Sq London

[Merry]

Eureka! 15 Wakefield St:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7572/LNDRG11_191_197-0504?pid=13969125&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db%3Duki1881%26indiv%3Dtry%26h%3D13969125&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true

Mother and step-father and brother. Step-dad Robert Milligan is a marble mason!

[Merry]

In 1881 the brother Charles is said to be aged 10 b Holborn. This might be the birth reg:

GIBBONS, CHARLES
mmn GERATT
GRO Reference: 1869 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 622

The parents are probably this couple (If that's the right birth reg...)

Marriages Mar 1855
CAHILL Catherine Shoreditch 1c 332
GERRETT Hannah Shoreditch 1c 332 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
GIBBONS Charles Henry Shoreditch 1c 332<<<<<<<<<
O'SULLIVAN Daniel Shoreditch 1c 33I

[Merry]

Here's the PR:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1623/31281_a101861-00091?pid=1051048&treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=gAP4238&_phstart=successSource

[Merry]

Not having much luck finding the Gibbons family or Robert Milligan on the 1871 census.

There's a Charles Gibbons on the 1881 census who is married to Lydia and is a French polisher, but his 1860 marriage cert shows a different father to the Charles Henry Gibbons, french polisher, who married Hannah. (I know her husband should have been dead anyway, but I haven't found a Gibbons/Milligan marriage yet!

[Merry]

This is probably Robert Milligan in 1851 with his parents. I can't see him in 1861 or 1871.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8860/mdxho107_1514_1515-0577/42595607?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return

I can't see Charles and Hannah Gibbons in 1861 or 1871 either, to try and decide if they are the parents of James and Charles.

[Merry]

Forgot about this!:

GIBBONS, JAMES
mmn GERETT
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 60

[Merry]

Another son/sibling:

GIBBONS, DANIEL
GERETT
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 275

[Merry]

Daniel in 1871?:

Daniel Gibbons b abt 1861 London, Middlesex, England
Juvenile Offender (Prisoner)
Staines, Middlesex

No sign in 1861.

[Phoenix]

Hannah in 1841:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8978/MDXHO107_724_725-0408/15414277?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return


I note that her father is a stone sawyer

[Merry]

Daniel married in 1881 but we can't see what he had to say about his father as the entry doesn't seem to be online.

1881

7, Dobneys Court, Clerkenwell, Holborn, London & Middlesex

Daniel Gibbons Head Married 21 Marble Polisher b St Luke's, Middlesex
Ellen Gibbons Wife Married 20 Domestic, b Clerkenwell, Middlesex

[Merry]

Charles married in 1896 and said his father was Robert Gibbons dec'd, marble mason.

[kiterunner]

Wow, you have been busy! Thanks very much, Merry and Phoenix.

I did search for marriages with father Robert Gibbons and looked at the occupations, but I didn't see that one.

[Merry]

Robert Milligan died Q3 1881 and was buried in Camden 7 Sept 1881.

I couldn't see a likely death for Hannah Milligan nor a re-marriage, but there is a Hannah Gibbons in St Pancras WH in 1891 aged 60 (so a bit old).

Hannah's husband, Charles Henry Gibbons, French polisher, is aged 20 on the 1851 census, born Clerkenwell, father Charles, an enameller, which fits with their marriage cert.

I still can't find him after that!

[Merry]

This could be Hannah's husband, in which case, he can't be Charles jr's father, but could be James' and Daniel's father:

GIBBONS, CHARLES HENRY
34
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in STRAND Volume 01B Page 394

[kiterunner]

Thanks, Merry.

[kiterunner]

Here are Hannah, Daniel, James and Frederick (born 1864 St Martin in the Fields; surname Gibbins on birth index) being admitted to Holborn Workhouse 25 Mar 1868:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/60391/31436_189740-00342?pid=3513100&treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=dNx7797&_phstart=successSource

I would particularly like to find Hannah in 1861 to see where she was living. But I bet she was in the Islington East piece which is missing from that census!

[kiterunner]

There is also a William Frederick Gibbins baptised 1 Nov 1857 at St Thomas Charterhouse Islington, parents Charles Henry and Hannah, father's occupation French polisher, address 19 Allen St. Birth registered Oct-Dec 1857 Clerkenwell, surname Gibbons.

[Merry]

Hannah in the WH in 1891 is probably the right person as she was a fur sewer in 1881 too.

[Merry]

This is Robert Milligan in 1871. He has lost a few years, but has the right occ and the correct mother on the prev. page:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7619/LNDRG10_211_214-0433/11163809?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return#?imageId=LNDRG10_211_214-0433

I had half expected him to be with Hannah Gibbons in 1871.

As Robert was with his mother in 1871 I looked for her in 1861, but Robert isn't in the household. He seems to have had a strong influence over the Gibbons children's choice of occupation, so I had imagined he had arrived in their lives earlier than he perhaps did.

[kiterunner]

Interesting. Thanks.

[Phoenix]

As Robert was with his mother in 1871 I looked for her in 1861, but Robert isn't in the household. He seems to have had a strong influence over the Gibbons children's choice of occupation, so I had imagined he had arrived in their lives earlier than he perhaps did.

As Hannah's father was a stone sawyer, don't you think she met Robert through her father's circle of friends and work colleagues?

[kiterunner]

I don't know, but I wonder if they met after Hannah and the children were in the workhouse (1868).