1911 search problem and a maiden name problem

[Margaret in Burton]

Ernest Edward Cammack born 1906 Aston
Violet Alice Cammack born 1909 Aston
No sign in 1911 or any deaths for them.

Anyone see them?

Children born after 1911
Alfred Arthur b 1912 Aston who I can find on 1939 register
Amelia Beatrice b 1915 Aston died 1916

all of the above have mother's maiden name Neville

The mother Eliza was married previously to an Arthur Richard Emms. She married Henry Cammack in 1907 in Aston. Here they are in 1911 with her children from her first marriage.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/2352/rg14_18351_0377_03?pid=26401423&treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=UMX2621&_phstart=successSource


The marriage of Eliza to Henry Cammack in 1907 on FMP gives her fathers name as Joseph Brookes. Her children with Arthur Emms have mmn as Brookes.

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=R_846223653

Where did the name Neville come from or have I got totally confused?

[ElizabethHerts]

The 1911 Census says that Henry and Eliza had no children of their own.

[kiterunner]

There's an Ernest Edward Cammack marriage Oct-Dec 1905 Aston but not to a Neville. I'm trying to find him on the 1911 census to see who he married and if he has those children.

[Margaret in Burton]

The 1911 Census says that Henry and Eliza had no children of their own.

Yes I know. It's very confusing

[kiterunner]

Here they are:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/2352/rg14_18344_0081_03/21616930?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3d1911england%26gsfn%3dnev*%26g sln%3dlew*s%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln_x%3d1%26cp%3d0%26m sbdy%3d1901%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbdp%3d1%26hc%3d20%26 new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26redir%3dfalse%26uidh%3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Edward Cammack Head 34 Married 5 years, 2 children born Mon Newport
Constance Cammack Wife 34 born Gloucestershire
Alfred Cammack Brother 40 widower born Shrewsbury
Constance Lewis Daughter 12 born London Notting Hill
Neville Lewis Son 10 born London Bermondsey
Ernest Cammack Son 4 born Birmingham
Violet Cammack Daughter born Birmingham.

The signature at the bottom of the page says E E Cammack.

Constance Amelia Neville married Samuel Henry Lewis in 1897 and then Constance Amelia Lewis married Ernest Edward Cammack in 1905.

[ElizabethHerts]

Mistranscribed as Cannock:


Violet Cannock's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.

Edward Cannock Head Married Male 34 1877 Bleacher Bandage Plate Mon Newport
Constance Cannock Wife Married Female 34 1877 Business Gloucestershire Noth
Alfred Cannock Brother Widower Male 40 1871 Cycle Maker Shrewsbury
Constance Lewis Daughter - Female 12 1899 School London Notting Hill
Neville Lewis Son - Male 10 1901 School London Bermondsey
Ernest Cannock Son - Male 4 1907 - Bham Saltley
Violet Cannock Daughter - Female 1 1910 - Bham Saltley

[Margaret in Burton]

Alfred Arthur Cammack born 29 Feb 1912 is definitely correct. He's my son in laws great grandfather.
It's his parentage that's confusing me.

[kiterunner]

As Ernest Edward Cammack sr had a brother Alfred, it could well be that Alfred Arthur was named after the brother, couldn't it?

[Margaret in Burton]

Here they are:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/2352/rg14_18344_0081_03/21616930?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3d1911england%26gsfn%3dnev*%26g sln%3dlew*s%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln_x%3d1%26cp%3d0%26m sbdy%3d1901%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbdp%3d1%26hc%3d20%26 new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26redir%3dfalse%26uidh%3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Edward Cammack Head 34 Married 5 years, 2 children born Mon Newport
Constance Cammack Wife 34 born Gloucestershire
Alfred Cammack Brother 40 widower born Shrewsbury
Constance Lewis Daughter 12 born London Notting Hill
Neville Lewis Son 10 born London Bermondsey
Ernest Cammack Son 4 born Birmingham
Violet Cammack Daughter born Birmingham.

The signature at the bottom of the page says E E Cammack.

Constance Amelia Neville married Samuel Henry Lewis in 1897 and then Constance Amelia Lewis married Ernest Edward Cammack in 1905.

Mistranscribed as Cannock:


Violet Cannock's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.

Edward Cannock Head Married Male 34 1877 Bleacher Bandage Plate Mon Newport
Constance Cannock Wife Married Female 34 1877 Business Gloucestershire Noth
Alfred Cannock Brother Widower Male 40 1871 Cycle Maker Shrewsbury
Constance Lewis Daughter - Female 12 1899 School London Notting Hill
Neville Lewis Son - Male 10 1901 School London Bermondsey
Ernest Cannock Son - Male 4 1907 - Bham Saltley
Violet Cannock Daughter - Female 1 1910 - Bham Saltley


Thank you both

I was looking at the wrong father then. Alfred's father is Edward not Henry. That's what yu get from trying to avoid buying the cert. :o

[Margaret in Burton]

As Ernest Edward Cammack sr had a brother Alfred, it could well be that Alfred Arthur was named after the brother, couldn't it?

More than likely. Thank you again

[Margaret in Burton]

Henry might link in somewhere I think. I believe I found him and his parents and siblings in Shrewsbury and Pontypool. I see mention of Shrewsbury and Newport on that 1911 census.