Marrying twice to the same person

[Phoenix]

William Underwood and Eliza James marry twice:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS/PLY/004634648/00008&parentid=GBPRS/M/35140167/1
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS/PLY/004634267/00042&parentid=GBPRS/M/35063530/1


Both in 1870, different Plymouth parishes. First time he makes it clear it's an army marriage: he's in the 57th regiment, father-in-law a pensioner. Second time he's a musician, fil a coal dealer.
I assume that the army told him he couldn't marry without permission, so he went under the radar.:)
Anyone else got anything similar?

[Sue from Southend]

My 3x gt grandparents William Matthews and Esther Hodges married twice, too.

First time https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=aXa2374&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=lmamarriages&gsfn=william&gsln=matthews&cp=0&mssng=esther&mssns=hodges&new=1&rank=1&redir=false&uidh=zs8&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=3&h=4172991&recoff=&ml_rpos=4 in Camberwell. William was 49 and Esther was 17. Nine mths later they remarried in St Luke's by licence with her father's permission and Esther is described as a minor!
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=aXa2374&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=lmamarriages&gsfn=william&gsln=matthews&cp=0&mssng=esther&mssns=hodges&new=1&redir=false&uidh=zs8&gss=angs-d&rank=1&pcat=34&fh=0&h=2228910&recoff=&ml_rpos=1

Their first child was born 2 weeks after the second marriage:rolleyes:

[Phoenix]

And I bet he only gave permission because she was so far gone. Who would want their child married to someone nearly three times their age?

[Jill]

Mary Lawrence (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1623/31280_194685-00031/5829006?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/17033206/person/575938202/facts/citation/2863944610/edit/record)(a minor) of St Dunstan, Stepney married Frederic Moore at St Marylebone (where her parents had married and where Frederic was resident) by licence on 30 Jul 1854, they married again on 26 May 1855 at St Mary, Haggerston, I have the certificate.

[Sue from Southend]

The cynic in me wonders if Esther was a bit of gold digger! William had inherited 5 houses in Shoreditch - living in one and renting out the others. However when William died in 1829 all five reverted to his brothers.

In 1831 she had an illegitimate child and by 1839 was applying for Poor Relief!

[Phoenix]

The birth of William and Eliza Underwood's first child is recorded oddly too. It's in the June quarter 1870 of civil registration (as Underwood).

But he's also down in the military births:
First name(s) George W
Last name Underwood
Sex Male
Birth year 1870
Place East Stonehouse
Country England
Type Armed Forces
Regiment 57th Foot
Archive General Register Office
Source Gro Regimental Birth Indices (1761 To 1924)
Record's year range 1870
Volume 1239
Page 54
Line number 81

Of course, there is no indication of when this was recorded in the year. It would be worth getting this certificate, even though it won't record mother's maiden name, just to see the dates: whether it was before or after the second marriage. Poor Eliza would have been mortified if she thought her marriage wasnt going to be legal and so her child construed a bastard.

By 1871 she was in army married quarters with her husband and 10 month old baby, so it was all sorted out in the end.

[kiterunner]

One of my relatives doing their family tree ordered a military birth certificate for someone in our tree and it came back with the wrong mother's name, Phoenix - it had the second wife down as the mother when it should have been the first wife. Not sure how that happened; I imagine a sheet with marriages and children listed on it, and they copy the (supposedly) relevant info onto a birth cert.

[Olde Crone]

Kate, I have a friend who had a similar certificate and we wondered whether it was something to do with fiddling the marriage allowance, as the second "marriage" hadn't actually taken place! We thought the second wife might have been impersonating the first wife, for army purposes.

OC

[Sussex Maid]

John Butcher and Ann Stenning married twice
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=19832&

Second marriage took place on 2 Apr 1755 and first son was baptised 10 Jun 1755 - still not sure whether it was a real or assumed issue with the first marriage which prompted the second.

[Macbev]

Pte Isaac Pinker of HM 50th Regt, which was sent to Australia on colonial duties, married Norah Walsh in St Stephen's RC church in Brisbane 5 May 1867. He married her again in Sydney 1 Oct 1868 in an Anglican ceremony. Their first child was born in July 1868 and until the RC ceremony surfaced, I had always assumed the child was illegitimate.


Now I wonder if there were military regs relating to RC marriages, which obliged them to repeat the ceremony.

[kiterunner]

William Stephen Montgomery Smith married Margaret Ellen Deborah Dixon in Jul-Sep quarter of 1890 in Southwark (I haven't got a copy of the marriage certificate, but it is on the GRO index) but then they married each other again at St George's Anglican Church, Montreal, Quebec, on the 8th Oct 1891. I guess the first marriage was a register office one as it isn't in the church records on ancestry, but I'm not sure why the second one. They were both about 27 or 28, and he was a doctor.

[Janet in Yorkshire]

And I bet he only gave permission because she was so far gone. Who would want their child married to someone nearly three times their age?

I have a couple in my tree who married in Q1 1911.
The groom was born in 1829 and the bride in 1880. :eek:Their first daughter was born in 1912 and the second in 1915.
The 11 children from the groom's first marriage were born between 1857 and 1873.

Jay

[Phoenix]

I have a couple in my tree who married in Q1 1911.
The groom was born in 1829 and the bride in 1880. :eek:Their first daughter was born in 1912 and the second in 1915.
The 11 children from the groom's first marriage were born between 1857 and 1873.

Jay

:eek::eek::eek:

I have a 43 year gap between the children, but that takes the biscuit, Jay. I would add that my ancestor's widow married VERY promptly after his death, making me suspect that there is no fool like an old fool.

[Kit]

I'm sure I have people who married twice but am talking about a very recent marriage - in the last 30 years.

My neighbour's son married got married on a Saturday and then married again the next Saturday. One of them was Greek, I can't remember the other religion. Both wanted to be married in their own church so they did.

Other neighbours had to laugh though as the wife would not live with her husband until after the second marriage to make sure they were really married.