Lines family of Camberwell

[Phoenix]

This is Thomas in 1851, with his younger siblings:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8860/SRYHO107_1581_1581-0234/1009219?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return


His mother Elizabeth and elder siblings are on the previous page.


Can anyone find ANY of the births/baptisms or find the family in 1861?


Elizabeth's husband MAY have been John, possibly a butcher, but how many of the children he actually fathered is anyone's guess.

[kiterunner]

These are in the "England, Select Births and Christenings" on ancestry, which means they came from FamilySearch:

Edward William Lines born 6 Apr 1834, baptised 27 Apr 1834 St Giles Camberwell, parents John and Eliza
John Lines born 8 Jan 1836, baptised 31 Jan 1836 same place, same parents
Charles Thomas Lines born 11 Apr 1838, baptised 6 May 1838 same place, same parents.

I'll see whether the images are on ancestry.

[Phoenix]

Brilliant, Kite. I couldn't find them at all on Ancestry, but they must be there.

[kiterunner]

Here's the image for Charles Thomas and his father was indeed a butcher:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1558/31280_199024-00008?backurl=https%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fsearch%2fdb.aspx%3fdbid%3d1558%26path%3d&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnBrowsing#?imageId=31280_199024-00305

[Phoenix]

Now there, as plain as can be. Well, Edward anyway. Mutter, mutter.

[kiterunner]

Brilliant, Kite. I couldn't find them at all on Ancestry, but they must be there.

Charles Thomas's surname was mistranscribed as "Lonis" on ancestry, but he should still have come up on the search I was doing as I put L*i*s*. He does come up, along with Edward and John, if I do the same search but just on the London Births and Baptisms instead of supposedly searching the whole site, so it must still be omitting some databases from the global search.

Here's Edward's baptism:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1558/31280_199024-00152/5038417?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fqh%3dejdUg417jpHNd245EJyj8w%253D%2 53D%26db%3dLMAbirths%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_db%26new%3d1 %26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsln%3dl*i* s*%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbdy%3d1841%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msb dp%3d10%26msfng%3djohn%26msfng_x%3d1%26msmng%3deli *%26msmng_x%3d1%26gskw%3dcamberwell%26gskw_x%3d1%2 6MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

and John jr's:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1558/31280_199024-00223/5148115?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fqh%3dejdUg417jpHNd245EJyj8w%253D%2 53D%26db%3dLMAbirths%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_db%26new%3d1 %26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsln%3dl*i* s*%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbdy%3d1841%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msb dp%3d10%26msfng%3djohn%26msfng_x%3d1%26msmng%3deli *%26msmng_x%3d1%26gskw%3dcamberwell%26gskw_x%3d1%2 6MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
(father's occupation is baker on that one - perhaps a mistake?)

[Phoenix]

Here's the image for Charles Thomas and his father was indeed a butcher:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1558/31280_199024-00008?backurl=https%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fsearch%2fdb.aspx%3fdbid%3d1558%26path%3d&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnBrowsing#?imageId=31280_199024-00305


And born in Peckham, which he says later.


This, for reference is the family in 1841: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8978/SRYHO107_1064_1065-0125?pid=10261902&treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=rBo847&_phstart=successSource

[Phoenix]

Charles Thomas's surname was mistranscribed as "Lonis" on ancestry, but he should still have come up on the search I was doing as I put L*i*s*. He does come up, along with Edward and John, if I do the same search but just on the London Births and Baptisms instead of supposedly searching the whole site, so it must still be omitting some databases from the global search.

Here's Edward's baptism:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1558/31280_199024-00152/5038417?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fqh%3dejdUg417jpHNd245EJyj8w%253D%2 53D%26db%3dLMAbirths%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_db%26new%3d1 %26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsln%3dl*i* s*%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbdy%3d1841%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msb dp%3d10%26msfng%3djohn%26msfng_x%3d1%26msmng%3deli *%26msmng_x%3d1%26gskw%3dcamberwell%26gskw_x%3d1%2 6MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

and John jr's:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1558/31280_199024-00223/5148115?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fqh%3dejdUg417jpHNd245EJyj8w%253D%2 53D%26db%3dLMAbirths%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_db%26new%3d1 %26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsln%3dl*i* s*%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbdy%3d1841%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msb dp%3d10%26msfng%3djohn%26msfng_x%3d1%26msmng%3deli *%26msmng_x%3d1%26gskw%3dcamberwell%26gskw_x%3d1%2 6MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
(father's occupation is baker on that one - perhaps a mistake?)

Occupation Baker proves it's my lot!!That was his Dad's trade. Thank you, Kite (he was actually apprenticed to a stationer!!)

[kiterunner]

UK Census Online's free search has a Maria Lines age 16, Dress Maker, in the "London 1861 census", but I haven't managed to find her on ancestry or FMP yet.

[kiterunner]

Possible for Elizabeth / Eliza in 1861 if the children had all left home or died:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/SRYRG9_332_335-0215/6158470?backurl=https%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fqh%3dJZBZZItXFepN8FironO%252bzQ%25 3d%253d%26db%3duki1861%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_r_db%26new %3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3delizabeth% 26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dl*i*s%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbdy%3 d1816%26msbdy_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

34 St George Rd, St George Southwark
Elizabeth Lines Head W 45 Dress Maker Surry Newington
Mary Knights Sister Un 58 Do Do.

If only we could find that Maria Lines age 16 to see who she was with!

[kiterunner]

Marriage 26 Jun 1833 St Giles Camberwell: John Lines / Eliza Soane:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1623/31280_199036-00290/4185654?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fqh%3dn5ONYjyfcv1xxtkMjUVPOQ%253D%2 53D%26db%3dLMAmarriages%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_db%26new% 3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dj ohn%26gsfn_x%3d1%26msgdd%3d26%26msgdd_x%3d1%26msgd m%3d6%26msgdm_x%3d1%26msgdy%3d1833%26msgdy_x%3d1%2 6MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[Phoenix]

UK Census Online's free search has a Maria Lines age 16, Dress Maker, in the "London 1861 census", but I haven't managed to find her on ancestry or FMP yet.

That might be this entry from FMP:

Martha Lines 1835 Surrey Lambeth Lambeth London, Surrey

She is a dressmaker, probably Maria, but aged 26 not 16.

[kiterunner]

UK Census Online does also come up with a Maria Lines age 26, Dressmaker, in London, though.

[kiterunner]

Edward died in 1854:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1559/31280_199123-00957/9495693?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/46912381/person/412019545630/facts

[kiterunner]

There is this possible for John jr in 1861 but it's not much help:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/SRYRG9_339_342-0848?pid=6220096&treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=dNx389&_phstart=successSource