Mary Ann Smith bp 1863 Caythorpe, Lincs

[Anstey Nomad]

Through my Ancestry DNA test, I am getting an interesting set of results, including a second cousin in Australia where we do not, on the face of it, have a great grandparent in common, and a number of her connections.

However, her line goes back to Lincolnshire, as mine does, and I am beginning to wonder if the connection could be through Mary Ann Smith.

Great grandma Emily Smith was obviously a bit of a gel as she brought two illegitimate children for baptism at St Vincent, Caythorpe, within 16 months in 1863/4. The younger child, George, died in Newark District aged 4 in JQ 1868, but his older sister Mary Ann, baptised on 22 February 1863, is more of a mystery.

All I have is this from Lincs Online:

BAPTISMS

22 February 1863

Mary Ann daughter of Emily Smith Caythorpe Single Woman

And the birth registration, again in Newark District, which includes Caythorpe, in the first quarter of 1863.

I can't see an obvious death and I wonder what happened to her. Writing this, I realise that technically she was my great aunt and another part of the family I never knew.

Thank you.

[Merry]

As her mother was your ancestor, presumably you know what happened to Emily? At what point did Mary stop appearing with Emily on the census? Did Mary retain the surname Smith, or did she assume the name of a stepfather?

[Merry]

Or if she isn't on a census:

SMITH, MARY ANN
0

GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in THE NEWARK UNION Volume 07B Page 202

[kiterunner]

FMP has a Mary Ann Smith burial at Caythorpe 1863 in the Lincolnshire Burials, if you have a sub to view it.

[Anstey Nomad]

OK thanks. I’d missed that one. Back to the drawing board for the connection.

Sad for Emily though. Two children dead. However, she married on Boxing Day 1868 and had three more children, who all lived to ripe old ages.

Thanks as always.

[Anstey Nomad]

I've actually gone back and double-checked this morning and that death is still not showing for me on Ancestry.

[Oakum Picker]

Ancestry has Newark under Nottinghamshire.

[kiterunner]

It's always worth looking on FreeBMD, AN.

[Anstey Nomad]

Newark is in Nottinghamshire ...

I've tried all sorts of parameters and not seen this death.

Mind you, I've searched the 1901, 1891 and 1881 Censuses today for people named Brindle living in Lancashire and not got a single result. I think the search function is shot.

[kiterunner]

The search function on ancestry is certainly messed up, AN, and has been for a while now. I saw a post from someone on Facebook which said that searching by county has been broken since the end of March. But if I search for name Mary Ann Smith, death 1863, death location Nottinghamshire, England, exact matches, it does come up.

[Anstey Nomad]

Nope. I'm now getting Mary Ann Smith born c 1863 died Newark 1866, but still not the one we presume to be my one.

[Merry]

Nope. I'm now getting Mary Ann Smith born c 1863 died Newark 1866, but still not the one we presume to be my one.


She died in 1863 not 1866!!

[Merry]

The age at death on both the GRO index and the burial is 0.

The date of the burial is 1 May 1863.

[kiterunner]

AN, if you put in her year of birth when you were searching for her death, it wouldn't have come up on ancestry because the death index didn't include age at death in 1863. (Merry got the age at death - 0 from the new online GRO death index.)

[Merry]

(Merry got the age at death - 0 from the new online GRO death index.)

Correct!