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Lindsay
17-05-18, 18:22
Henry Senier, tea dealer, is with his wife and one of his children in Lancashire in 1851:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8860/LANHO107_2251_2251-0356?pid=11948584&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D8860%26h%3D11948584%26t id%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DKim2226% 26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Kim2226&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

In 1861 and 1871 his wife Hannah Senier is with her brother William Marsden and her children, but no Henry.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/NRYRG9_3648_3653-0142?pid=12154925&treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Kim2227&_phstart=successSource (she says she's married)

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7619/NRYRG10_4847_4848-0461?pid=28654093&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D7619%26h%3D28654093%26t id%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DKim2229% 26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Kim2229&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true (her marital status is blank)

In 1881 I think she's the Hannah Senier, widow, running a boarding house:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7572/LANRG11_3712_3716-0028?pid=9288832&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D7572%26h%3D9288832%26ti d%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DKim2231%2 6_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Kim2231&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

Henry was presumably still alive in March 1862 when his mother made her Will and mentioned him, but I can't find any trace of him after 1851.

He was born in London in 1818, though his parents were from Yorkshire and moved back there after about 20 years down south. Some members of the family moved to Lancashire, some stayed in London and others in Yorkshire, a couple of brothers went to America, so he could be almost anywhere. Oh, and they were nonconformists, just to make it more interesting.

Can anyone see him anywhere, please?
Merry
18-05-18, 08:44
I saw this, below, yesterday, but have been trying to eliminate the person ever since, to no avail!:

East London Observer 27 May 1865

A VERY DESIRABLE RESIDENCE, (for occupation), known as Ada Cottage, Brownlow-road, Queen's-road, Dalston. Let to Mr. Henry Senier (he paying all rates and taxes) at a rental of per annum £26; held for am unexpired term of eighty-two from Christmas last, at a ground rent of £5 - £21.

I think 'eighty-two' should read 'eighty-two years'.
Lindsay
18-05-18, 10:37
Wow, Merry, that could be him! Henry's nephew and his family lived in Brownlow Road for about 50 years from the 1880s.

Thank you! Off to look closer at Brownlow Road in the 1860s...
Merry
18-05-18, 13:28
I couldn't find Brownlow Road in 1861, but did find these other refs in the papers...

23 August 1862 - Shoreditch Observer - not very helpfully named resident!:

Address E. Brown, Ada Cottage, Brownlow-road, Dalston

and

Morning Advertiser 06 June 1865 - mentions the number.....:

Ada Cottage, No. 24, Brownlow-road, Queen’s-road, Dalston
kiterunner
18-05-18, 15:17
The 1861 census street index (in TNA's archived content) has Brownlow Road, Queen's Road, Shoreditch, North side numbers 1-34, RG9/246, folios 31-35, and South side numbers 1-36, RG9/246, folios 35-40.
kiterunner
18-05-18, 15:23
So this is number 24 on the North side:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/MDXRG9_245_249-0219/5586926?backurl=https%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1861%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_db%2 6new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26_F0 007B87%3d246%26_F0007B87_x%3d1%26_F0007B88%3d31%26 _F0007B88_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults#?imageId=MDXRG9_245_ 249-0224

and this is number 24 on the South side:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/MDXRG9_245_249-0219/5586926?backurl=https%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1861%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_db%2 6new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26_F0 007B87%3d246%26_F0007B87_x%3d1%26_F0007B88%3d31%26 _F0007B88_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults#?imageId=MDXRG9_245_ 249-0231

But presumably it has been renumbered since then, so did the renumbering take place before or after 1865...?
Merry
18-05-18, 15:24
lol I would never have looked in Shoreditch for Dalston.
kiterunner
18-05-18, 15:27
Just realised head of no 24 on the north side is Edward Bourn, so could he be "E. Brown"?
kiterunner
18-05-18, 15:28
lol I would never have looked in Shoreditch for Dalston.

I tried a couple of others first!
Merry
18-05-18, 15:40
Just realised head of no 24 on the north side is Edward Bourn, so could he be "E. Brown"?

Very likely!
Merry
18-05-18, 15:43
Is his occupation 'Visiting'? lol!
kiterunner
18-05-18, 15:48
Is his occupation 'Visiting'? lol!
Yes, I thought that was funny too.
Lindsay
18-05-18, 16:32
What a weird numbering scheme - it must have caused confusion to have 2 of each number.

At various times from the 1880s family members were living at 25, 27 and 32 Brownlow Road. I've never seen any of them described as Ada Cottage, though.

A trawl through the 1861 and 1871 census hasn't thrown up any likely candidates, but I'm sure there must be a connection.