what am I missing ?

[garstonite]

1851 census
Benjamin Brooks b 1786 Bagley ,Salop
Elizabeth Brooks b 1785 Preston Gubbals ,Salop
can't find a marriage
there are 2 christenings for Elizabeth in 1786 ( a year out )
Elizabeth Morris 11th August - Thomas and Eleanor
Elizabeth Beddoe 26th Sept - John and Margaret

I am favouring Thomas and Eleanor because Benjamin and Elizabeths 1st born that I can find is Thomas Brooks 11th sept 1813 so maybe named after granddad ?
why can't I find a marriage for them ?..what am I doing wrong ?
ADDED these are my Direct 4 X G Grandparents ... love the name Preston Gubbals...lol

[garstonite]

John Beddoe and Margaret Thomas married on 6th Feb 1785 same church in Preston Gubbals

[kiterunner]

According to the transcription on FamilySearch, the baptism of John Brooks 14 Feb 1819 at the Independent Chapel in Hadnall, Shropshire, gives parents' names as Benjamin Brooks and Elizabeth Bailey. And the same for Benjamin Brooks 21 Oct 1815. And George Brooks 3 Sep 1826.

[Oakum Picker]

There's a marriage in 1805 in Preston Gubbalds between Benjamin BROOKES & Elizabeth NEWNS.

[garstonite]

Thanks Kate - I haven't got John in my tree - just checked - something wrong here
I have - all Hadnall
Thomas -1813
Martha - 1815
Sarah - 1817 - my Direct - All to Benjamin and Elizabeth

don't have the 3 you have posted - I wonder if Benjamin and Martha were twins ? - or I am wondering are there 2 Benjamin and Elizabeths ...back soon :confused:

ADDED - Mary - John - Richard - George - Benjamin look to be siblings of my 3 - and Elizabeth Bailey is on most of them ...what do you think ?...I went to familysearch - brooks - hadnall - Benjamin and Elizabeth and there are EIGHT children -SO if you are right and I am sure you are I have just found another 5 siblings ...??
ADDED
make that 9 - Elizabeth 1811

[kiterunner]

Hmm, Findmypast has a Benjamin Brookes / Elizabeth Newns marriage in 1805 at Preston Gubbalds. I haven't got a sub to view the image.
Edit - I see Oakum Picker got there first!

[kiterunner]

Could just be a coincidence, but there is a Thomas Newns / Elizabeth Bailey marriage in 1803 at St Mary's, Shrewsbury.
Edit - I've looked at the map, and Preston Gubbals is pretty close to Shrewsbury.

[kiterunner]

FMP has three Anglican baptisms at Hadnall for children of Benjamin Brooks and Elizabeth:
Samuel 1808, Elizabeth 1811 and Thomas 1813. Again, I haven't got a sub to view the images so I don't know what additional info there is.

[Oakum Picker]

Thomas NEWNS married Elizabeth BAILEY in 1803 so I think the above is the correct marriage. Ben & Liz have a child in PG in 1806 , then a couple in the parish church, name forgotten before becoming non-con.

[garstonite]

So ..I make it 9 children - some say Independent Chapel ,Hadnall / some say Hadnall and Clive - and some have BOTH - so it looks to me like they had 9 children - I can find 8 baptisms - but Marthas is missing but she is with the family in 1851 census ?

[Oakum Picker]

Beat everyone to it as usual Kate. If you want copies PM me Alan.

[garstonite]

thank you both - so 10 children with Samuel - and Elizabeth was Bailey then Newns ...now it all makes sense - thank you kindly - I have quite a bit to add to my tree now ...you are stars ...xxx

[garstonite]

for the record - My g grandmother was 96 when she died and I was 9 - she was born in 1865 in Astley - very close to Preston Gubbalds ...she was a beautiful writer and in her memoirs it is Prestone GOBALDS - and in Parish records it is spelt Gobalds from 1600's - there are records for it ...
added- I said 1600's - it is 1560 -
quote - Prestone Gobalds (Baptisms) 1560-1812

I have been to Astley several times - but I HAVE to go to Preston Gubbalds this summer for a sunday drive ...thanks again girls ...xxx

[garstonite]

http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/PrestonGubbals.html#p001
found this - Parish records - a brilliant read - if you are nosey like me ...lol

[kiterunner]

Here is Sarah's baptism on ancestry and it confirms that MMN was Bailey:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/2972/40612_B0151388-00009/1105119?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return#?imageId=40612_B0151388-00009

Benjamin jr and Thomas are on the same page.

[kiterunner]

Martha is 17 on the 1851 census so born about 1833. Elizabeth is 66 on that census.
And on the 1841 census they are 7 and 55 respectively.

[kiterunner]

Finally thought of searching the Anglican baptisms for Martha instead of the non-conformist ones! Martha Brookes baptised 22 Sep 1833 Hadnall, daughter of Sarah Brookes. The image is on FMP if you have a sub to view it. I did think she was unlikely to be Benjamin and Elizabeth's daughter.

[garstonite]

Thanks very much Kate - some reading to do here now ...xx